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    brianwelsch
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    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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      http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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      Jamie Nordmeyer
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      They should do the same thing to Saddam that many of us are saying they ought to do to Osama. That is, capture him alive, bring him back to the states, give him a sex change operation, then drop him back in to the middle of the Taliban wearing only a bikini. :-D Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA

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        http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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        Michael P Butler
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        One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.

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          One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.

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          brianwelsch
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          I admit, being at work, I have only skimmed through it, but the important thing I noticed is, that since Bush is addressing the UN for support, the entire document revolves around Iraq's negligence in upholding UN sanctions. I hope this approach succeeds somewhat in changing some views. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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            They should do the same thing to Saddam that many of us are saying they ought to do to Osama. That is, capture him alive, bring him back to the states, give him a sex change operation, then drop him back in to the middle of the Taliban wearing only a bikini. :-D Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA

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            Or capture both, dress them up in pink tutus, and after drugging them, place them in the center of Bahgdad each held sweetly in the others embrace, awaiting the joyful dawn of a new day. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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              One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.

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              John Hurrell
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              I think that the rest of the world has adpoted the "it isn't happening in my back" yard mentality. I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Other countries have faulted us for thinking that we WERE the world but I see us as more clearly recognizing that we're part of the world and attrocities against others are an attrocity against all. Just my two cents. That is one hell of an interesting report. Makes the case to eliminate him pretty convincing.

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                Or capture both, dress them up in pink tutus, and after drugging them, place them in the center of Bahgdad each held sweetly in the others embrace, awaiting the joyful dawn of a new day. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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                Jamie Nordmeyer
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                I'd be willing to pay good money to see that on pay-per-view! "Celebrity Death Match, Tagteam Edition" Saddam Hussein & Osama Bin Laden (looking, um, different than normal), versus the Taliban. Who needs Tonya Harding or Joey Budafuco when you've got these incredible brawlers?!?! Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA

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                  I think that the rest of the world has adpoted the "it isn't happening in my back" yard mentality. I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Other countries have faulted us for thinking that we WERE the world but I see us as more clearly recognizing that we're part of the world and attrocities against others are an attrocity against all. Just my two cents. That is one hell of an interesting report. Makes the case to eliminate him pretty convincing.

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                  Jamie Nordmeyer
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                  Here Here Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA

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                    I think that the rest of the world has adpoted the "it isn't happening in my back" yard mentality. I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Other countries have faulted us for thinking that we WERE the world but I see us as more clearly recognizing that we're part of the world and attrocities against others are an attrocity against all. Just my two cents. That is one hell of an interesting report. Makes the case to eliminate him pretty convincing.

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                    Chris Losinger
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                    BonTon wrote: Americans, I we believe it IS our business which is it , "I" or "we" ? -c


                    Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

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                      http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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                      Samsung
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                      Good luck guys! I mean, good luck after you attack Iraq. What after that? ;)

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                        BonTon wrote: Americans, I we believe it IS our business which is it , "I" or "we" ? -c


                        Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

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                        perhaps "I wee" :cool:


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                          http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}

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                          Fazlul Kabir
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                          On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul

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                            I think that the rest of the world has adpoted the "it isn't happening in my back" yard mentality. I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Other countries have faulted us for thinking that we WERE the world but I see us as more clearly recognizing that we're part of the world and attrocities against others are an attrocity against all. Just my two cents. That is one hell of an interesting report. Makes the case to eliminate him pretty convincing.

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                            Samsung
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                            Yes, it is your business. Economic business. Of course, you want to save rest of the world, but you asked some of them and they do not want it. You did not asked a lot of others. It does not matter. ;) Please, do not save me. Please, do not help me, please.

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                              On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul

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                              Fazlul Kabir wrote: What do you think? i think the difference is that people assume israel wouldn't use nukes as an offensive weapon (ie. not in an unprovoked first-strike), while they apparently think saddam would. i think it's also interesting that Ted Turner has given $250 million to help clean up stray Russian nukes and bio weapons and to help keep them out of the hands of terrorists. the US govt, wouldn't help, because it thinks that turning weapons-grade uranium into a commercial-grade uranium is an "environmental" issue. -c


                              Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

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                                Yes, it is your business. Economic business. Of course, you want to save rest of the world, but you asked some of them and they do not want it. You did not asked a lot of others. It does not matter. ;) Please, do not save me. Please, do not help me, please.

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                                Hold it, then why do we have the U.N.? What is the point of the U.N. making declarations if there is no enforcement arm? "Oh please please please, obey this referendum that we passed. If you don't we are going to give you dirty looks." If that is the way the rest of the world feels, then just abolish the U.N. Or is it that you don't care if anybody follows the U.N. unless it is YOUR backyard or economy that is being affected. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

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                                  On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul

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                                  You are kidding me right? The UN inspection team in 1999 was about two weeks away from issuing a report stating Saddam had no WMD program and had complied with all UN sanctions. Then his son-in-law defected and told the details of the REAL story about how he had effectively hidden all the evidence and basically made the inspections team look like fools. Time to stop f****** around with this guy. You want a "smoking gun" - it will be a mushroom cloud. Bill F

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                                    On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul

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                                    Well, he also claims that the whole thing is a big racist conspiracy since the U.N. Sec. Gen. is a black African. There is a general lack of direct proof of WoMDs. But it isn't like Saddam is going to be doing this stuff out in the open. There is a lot of indirect evidence. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

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                                      Fazlul Kabir wrote: What do you think? i think the difference is that people assume israel wouldn't use nukes as an offensive weapon (ie. not in an unprovoked first-strike), while they apparently think saddam would. i think it's also interesting that Ted Turner has given $250 million to help clean up stray Russian nukes and bio weapons and to help keep them out of the hands of terrorists. the US govt, wouldn't help, because it thinks that turning weapons-grade uranium into a commercial-grade uranium is an "environmental" issue. -c


                                      Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

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                                      Samsung
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                                      Chris Losinger wrote: i think the difference is that people assume israel wouldn't use nukes as an offensive weapon (ie. not in an unprovoked first-strike), while they apparently think saddam would. Are they right? What about this: Israel will not use nukes because it is very closed to US. We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon.

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                                        BonTon wrote: Americans, I we believe it IS our business which is it , "I" or "we" ? -c


                                        Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."

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                                        Tim Smith
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                                        which is it , "I" or "we" ? Depends on if he has seen his shrink in the morning. :) Hopefully, everyone realizes that Americans run the gambit on this issue just like the rest of the work. I know I have HUGE reservations about the whole issue. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

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                                          Yes, it is your business. Economic business. Of course, you want to save rest of the world, but you asked some of them and they do not want it. You did not asked a lot of others. It does not matter. ;) Please, do not save me. Please, do not help me, please.

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                                          Your profile says you are in the United States but I get the impression from your posts that you are not. Where are you?

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