White House report on Sadam Hussein
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Chris Losinger wrote: i think the difference is that people assume israel wouldn't use nukes as an offensive weapon (ie. not in an unprovoked first-strike), while they apparently think saddam would. Are they right? What about this: Israel will not use nukes because it is very closed to US. We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon.
Samsung wrote: Israel will not use nukes because it is very closed to US do you really think Israel will just one day decide to blow up Syria, for example, for no reason? Samsung wrote: We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon how do Israel's nukes relate to something the US did 60 years ago? -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul
Fazlul Kabir wrote: But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. What's he got against Isreal? Mandela is a communist with the rest of the African National Congress. He hates Isreal and the United States so his opinions are far from objective. I have no respect for the man.
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They should do the same thing to Saddam that many of us are saying they ought to do to Osama. That is, capture him alive, bring him back to the states, give him a sex change operation, then drop him back in to the middle of the Taliban wearing only a bikini. :-D Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
Saddam is so mentally ill, I'm afraid he'll enjoy it:)
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Or capture both, dress them up in pink tutus, and after drugging them, place them in the center of Bahgdad each held sweetly in the others embrace, awaiting the joyful dawn of a new day. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
You win the creativity award :laugh: Elaine (chortling fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
They tried, but american contractors had done too good a job of building his bunkers....... Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Samsung wrote: Israel will not use nukes because it is very closed to US do you really think Israel will just one day decide to blow up Syria, for example, for no reason? Samsung wrote: We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon how do Israel's nukes relate to something the US did 60 years ago? -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
Chris Losinger wrote: do you really think Israel will just one day decide to blow up Syria, for example, for no reason? I do not think "for no reason". You think Iraq will? Chris Losinger wrote: how do Israel's nukes relate to something the US did 60 years ago? Look: US already used nekes. I have more reason to affraid from US and their friends, than from others. Simple.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
In the UK I suppose that this will form the basis of Tony Blairs "Dossier of Evidence" that has been promised since March & is due within the next week.... Hmmm...:suss: Its going to need more "flesh on the bones" than a series of unsubstantiated statements if Tony is not to get a very rough ride when parliament is recalled to dicuss this in 10 days or so. Weasel word won't work this time round if he wants to get public opinion on his side Don't get me wrong, I think Iraq is a big threat, but if the evidence is there it should be made very public if possible rather than hinted at otherwise whats left of public support will evaporate at the sight of the first body bag:( JohnJ :zzz::zzz:Sleep(28800000); :zzz::zzz: http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk[^]
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. What's he got against Isreal? Mandela is a communist with the rest of the African National Congress. He hates Isreal and the United States so his opinions are far from objective. I have no respect for the man.
Jason Henderson
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Chris Losinger wrote: do you really think Israel will just one day decide to blow up Syria, for example, for no reason? I do not think "for no reason". You think Iraq will? Chris Losinger wrote: how do Israel's nukes relate to something the US did 60 years ago? Look: US already used nekes. I have more reason to affraid from US and their friends, than from others. Simple.
Samsung wrote: You think Iraq will? no, i don't. but i don't set the US foreign policy, and they don't let me anywhere near the UN. Samsung wrote: Look: US already used nekes. I have more reason to affraid from US and their friends, than from others. Simple. that was 60 years ago. at the same time, Germany was cooking its citizens, Japan was raping hundreds of thousands of women all through the Pacific. are you afraid that some Japanese guy is going to use you as a Pleasure Woman? or that some German is going to try to cook you? -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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Hold it, then why do we have the U.N.? What is the point of the U.N. making declarations if there is no enforcement arm? "Oh please please please, obey this referendum that we passed. If you don't we are going to give you dirty looks." If that is the way the rest of the world feels, then just abolish the U.N. Or is it that you don't care if anybody follows the U.N. unless it is YOUR backyard or economy that is being affected. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I'd be willing to pay good money to see that on pay-per-view! "Celebrity Death Match, Tagteam Edition" Saddam Hussein & Osama Bin Laden (looking, um, different than normal), versus the Taliban. Who needs Tonya Harding or Joey Budafuco when you've got these incredible brawlers?!?! Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
Better throw in Arafat too -- he might get envious...
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Chris Losinger wrote: do you really think Israel will just one day decide to blow up Syria, for example, for no reason? I do not think "for no reason". You think Iraq will? Chris Losinger wrote: how do Israel's nukes relate to something the US did 60 years ago? Look: US already used nekes. I have more reason to affraid from US and their friends, than from others. Simple.
I don't think we should equate apples and oranges in this debate. Israel is in a defensive mode. Irac is in an offensive mode. US used nukes. Yea baby...to end a war. Nuff said. If you want to compare and debate, make sure your context are correct. Thanks, ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
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Jason Henderson wrote: Mandela is a communist... Is it bad by definition? If he is capitalist, his opinion will be correct, by definition, again?;) It seems a lot of communist in world, more and more,... ;)
Samsung wrote: Is it bad by definition? Yes, as you know very well. :beer:
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Better throw in Arafat too -- he might get envious...
What about Sharon then? Four is better than three :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. I would have gone to Afgahnistan, I would have gone to the Gulf , I would have gone to the falklands , all worthy causes . But how can I ask someone else to risk their lives on my behalf if I would not be prepared to do it myself ? Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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Samsung wrote: Is it bad by definition? Yes, as you know very well. :beer:
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Jason Henderson wrote: Mandela is a communist... Is it bad by definition? If he is capitalist, his opinion will be correct, by definition, again?;) It seems a lot of communist in world, more and more,... ;)
Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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Do you think China is a good place to live? :beer:
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What about Sharon then? Four is better than three :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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I don't think we should equate apples and oranges in this debate. Israel is in a defensive mode. Irac is in an offensive mode. US used nukes. Yea baby...to end a war. Nuff said. If you want to compare and debate, make sure your context are correct. Thanks, ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"