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What about Sharon then? Four is better than three :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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There is a big difference between Sharon on those 3 idiots. Please don't joke like that.
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What about Sharon then? Four is better than three :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
Tomasz Sowinski wrote: What about Sharon then? He is too fat for sex change operation:)
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Tomasz Sowinski wrote: What about Sharon then? He is too fat for sex change operation:)
They could make female siamese twins out of him :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Marx does not lie anything. You have chance to see it in US, if you want. You can see where is base of capitalism economy. Religion!? Who cares about religion in capitalism, money is god - You know what is written on dollar: In God we trust. But, do not use "communist" thinking with your last sentence, or you accept capitalist thinking. ;)
Samsung wrote: Marx does not lie anything He did not lie anything. But he described the 19th century capitalism, which is quite different from what we have today and I was forced to learn about it in school X| Samsung wrote: Religion!? Who cares about religion in capitalism, money is god It's a matter of choice, isn't it? If you like money, go for it. If you don't, be poor and enjoy. In communism you don't have a choice. :beer:
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Ed K wrote: Israel is in a defensive mode. After Israel occupied Palestinian territory it is in deffensive mode, of course.
bro, you obviously dont know the history Jews have lived in Israel for over 2,000 years. Prior to the Jews, the land was inhabited by the Philistines (NOT Palestinians, "Palestine" is a name the Bitish gave to Jordanian, Syrian, Egyptian and other Arab immigrants that moved into the area in the early 1900s. Philistines are an ancient civilization that no longer exist). In the early 1900s Jews outnumbered Arabs 10:1 in the region. When the British decided to leave the region, it originally allocated a mucher larger area for Jews (All the way to the Jordanian river). But because of a huge Arab uproar, they had to retract and give the Jordan area to the Arabs, leaving only a small area for the Jews. Now Palestinians want peices of that land too. Where does it end? So there was never any occupation. This land always belonged to Jews (Acheological digs back this up). Arab immigrants in the area wanted there own land. And even after all that has passed Jews have been nice enough to give them Gaza and the West Bank. I think Jews have gone way out of the way to be nice to these people.
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On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul
Fazlul Kabir wrote: What do you think? I think that there are still people who belive that: (A) The world is flat (B) NASA never sent people to the moon. Its a hoax (C) The US Govt. actually flew the planes into the WTC to discredit the Arab states so we could grab their oil. (D)The Bible is always right and if you don't believe in it totally you are going to hell (E) The Koran is always right and if you don't believe in it totally you are going to hell (F) The Detroit Lions are going to win the Superbowl (G) Saddam is just bluffing and if he had WMD's he wouldn't use them and if he did use them it would only be against Israel and it eouldn't matter to their economy since its WAY OVER THERE. (H) Israel would not retaliate with WMD's of its own because they don't really have any. Guess what - BOOM Goes Bagdad - BOOM goes Tirkrit - fallout all over the oil fields from Iraq to Iran to Saudi. Oil prices thru the roof. (I) America should stop spending so much time and money on defense and give the savings to the poor countries and ALL WOULD BE WELL. Yea Right I find it amusing that people with demonstrated intelligence could believe some of the things that they do believe even though from all recorded history the truth of the saying "Do not suffer a tyrant" is evident. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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pankajdaga wrote: Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Hehehe... Have you ever experienced communism on your own skin? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Yes, I have. Lived in China for 12 years. So, I am sure I have seen more of it than most of the people here. I am not saying that communism is a perfect system, I am saying that neither is Capitalism. It has its faults and whenever there will be an economic crisis, as it will be with the present framework, wars will happen. The big bully will push its weight. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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I think that the rest of the world has adpoted the "it isn't happening in my back" yard mentality. I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Other countries have faulted us for thinking that we WERE the world but I see us as more clearly recognizing that we're part of the world and attrocities against others are an attrocity against all. Just my two cents. That is one hell of an interesting report. Makes the case to eliminate him pretty convincing.
I have friends in China and they have said issues in other countries are none of their business. As Americans, we believe it IS our business. Is this the same China that opposes US' national missle defense? :confused: I'm not saying the US should be in everyone else's business, but whenever I hear countries like China and Iran make this argument, they always apply it selectively. i.e. The argument doesn't apply when it's something they care about, but it applies if it's something they don't care about. Additionally, African nations recently decided to form a new coalition. One of the things they agreed to do was to intervene in each other's countries if something gets out-of-hand. Previously, African nations held to a general policy of not intervening in each other's affairs. This change in this policy was an acknowledgement of the damage that not intervening can cause. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Answer my first question! Where the heck are you??? Its apparent that you either have never lived in a free country or you have been completely brain washed. Marx was a fool. Communism hurts the people it professes to help the most! Capitalism is the natural system of barter and trade between individuals. Money is simply a standard (govt supported) method of exchange. The individual is the one that worships money, not all capitalists. I could say that communism is the merger of the religion of humanism and government. A lethal combination if you ask me.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillAgreed !! Capiatalism just happens. Communism is a human planned system. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Thank you very much for this link. You're quite welcome. :) I kind of think all the talk about war, is setting the stage for one last ditch effort in that regard. A final push towards a peaceful change, but if that doesn't work, which I sadly feel it won't, then the US moves in with, hopefully, a larger support base. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
brianwelsch wrote: then the US moves in with, hopefully, a larger support base. It would be moral support only. We don't "need" and military support. Remember what the "experts" said would happen during the Gulf War? How many thousands of dead and injured there was going to be ? How mighty and well trained and well equiped the Republican Guard was ? Well they aren't any better and we are. House to house fighting in Baghdad ? Give me a break. Saddam will be long gone before thats necessary. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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In the UK I suppose that this will form the basis of Tony Blairs "Dossier of Evidence" that has been promised since March & is due within the next week.... Hmmm...:suss: Its going to need more "flesh on the bones" than a series of unsubstantiated statements if Tony is not to get a very rough ride when parliament is recalled to dicuss this in 10 days or so. Weasel word won't work this time round if he wants to get public opinion on his side Don't get me wrong, I think Iraq is a big threat, but if the evidence is there it should be made very public if possible rather than hinted at otherwise whats left of public support will evaporate at the sight of the first body bag:( JohnJ :zzz::zzz:Sleep(28800000); :zzz::zzz: http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk[^]
JohnJ wrote: Its going to need more "flesh on the bones" than a series of unsubstantiated statements Exactly what "proof" do you need ? Would maybe a nuke over London be enough proof ? Or maybe a little Sarin over Manchester ? And Uncle Adolph was not going to move on France either was he. He promised Mr. Chamberlain he wouldn't do it. He promised ! He promised ! The best defense is and always will be a good offense. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
There is one think you forget, Nobody forced Iraq to invade Kuwait !! Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Yes, I have. Lived in China for 12 years. So, I am sure I have seen more of it than most of the people here. I am not saying that communism is a perfect system, I am saying that neither is Capitalism. It has its faults and whenever there will be an economic crisis, as it will be with the present framework, wars will happen. The big bully will push its weight. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
pankajdaga wrote: Lived in China for 12 years So why did you left this paradise-on-earth country? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Communism, if we were all perfect little beings, would work very nicely. Everyone would help out and do their part, and split the profits, no greed, no regret, equality and harmony. However, we aren't perfect, we are greedy, we are not equal, in any fashion, and so the forced system of a common class working and some higher class making sure they do their "fair share", just will not work. Ever. If we were the perfect people that are needed to have communism run properly, we wouldn't need government in the first place. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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Chris Losinger wrote: i think the difference is that people assume israel wouldn't use nukes as an offensive weapon (ie. not in an unprovoked first-strike), while they apparently think saddam would. Are they right? What about this: Israel will not use nukes because it is very closed to US. We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon.
Samsung wrote: We know(?) US has never used nukes as an offensive weapon We didn't use nukes as offensive weapons. We used them as stategic weapons. There is a BIG difference. Our use of the two bombs on Japan saved many thousands of lives, both Japanese and American. Of course that fact never comes up when the anti-everything crowd starts preaching. Based on American casualities on other Pacific operations it was thought that Allied losses would be in excess of 200000 if we had to invade the Japanese home islands and that Japanese losses could have been as high as 1000000. Lots of people are alive today because Harry DID THE RIGHT THING Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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Samsung wrote: Everything has bad and good side, even communism. Depends on your viewpoint. If the lion is eating you its good from the lions point of view but there is nothing good about it from yours. If you want to study communism thats good - its like studing a polio virus - but if you have to live under that type of Govt, its a lot more like having polio. Abstraction makes the heart grow fonder I guess. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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On the issue of weapons of mass destruction etc., I was reading an interview with Nelson Mandela of S. Africa on NewsWeek yesterday.. Q. What about the argument that’s being made about the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and Saddam’s efforts to build a nuclear weapons. After all, he has invaded other countries, he has fired missiles at Israel. On Thursday, President Bush is going to stand up in front of the United Nations and point to what he says is evidence of... A. …Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction. Neither Bush nor [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. The complete interview is here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp[^] What do you think? // Fazlul
I'm sure Israel has weapons of mass destruction. In their defense, they are greatly outnumbered by Arab states that hate them, so it does serve a legitimate deterent role. Personally, I feel more confident that Israel isn't going to use them (or threaten to use them) than Saddam. Although, I can understand the Arab perspective that it seems unfair. Ultimately, I don't think it's a matter of "it's okay for Jews to have nukes, it's not okay for Arabs to have them". Rather, Iraqi leadership and stability is different from Israeli leadership and stability. History backs this up. Israel has supposedly had nukes since 1973 (I think). Israel has never used them and it hasn't threatened to use them. (In fact, it hasn't publicly admitted that it has them. Maybe it doesn't, but allows people to believe that they exist - as a deterent to Arab nations. Maybe I'm being deceived when I say that I think Israel has them.) As far as Scott Ritter is concerned, when I listen to him talk, I get the feeling that he is concerned about the short-term goal of getting weapons inspectors back in the country. But, let's say that Saddam actually cooperates (he hasn't totally cooperated in the past). Let's say that Iraq is declared empty of WMD. The sanctions are lifted, the inspectors leave (or are kicked out), and Saddam resumes weapons programs. What then? It seems clear that Scott Ritter has no long-term ideas for Iraq. I think this is partly due to his training as a marine. His job as a marine is to get a job done. When it's done, he doesn't worry about the long-term results. He is only interested in getting the job done in the here-and-now. I think that same mentality is coming out in his approach to Iraq. He seems to say, "We need to get inspectors back in Iraq" because that's what his superiors told him. He's not thinking about long-term strategies for Iraq. It's also interesting to note the degree to which Saddam was able to hide is nuclear weapons program from inspectors. When Saddam's son-in-law defected and told them how much information they were missing and how Saddam has implemented a huge program to hide his WMD programs from inspectors, Saddam produced huge amounts of documentation of a nuclear weapons program (which he claimed was being done by Saddam's son-in-law without his knowledge). Inspectors were amazed how much information Saddam had hidden. They also discovered (from gaps in the documentation) that they were still missing large and important portions of documentation. So, when Sco
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Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
pankajdaga wrote: US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. Another true believer in the long long list of idiots. We don't want a war with Iraq. We want to remove a tyrant from power. There is nothing in Iraq we couldn't get from somewhere else. If it was a true "war" it would last about 20 min and be over with. pankajdaga wrote: Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror Give me one example of this - one. Just who's resources are we "sucking" up? What "puppet" regime? And while it may not put and end to terror it will make other nation/states aware of the consequences of harboring terrorists or using terrorisim as a tool and this will go a long way to ending the practice. pankajdaga wrote: I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. And then we will kill you and then your childern can hate us and then we will kill them ad infinitum.. Or they will kill themselves trying to emulate their father. Who do you think will last the longest - your family line or the US. The insanity has to end some where either thru attrition or education. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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pankajdaga wrote: US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. Another true believer in the long long list of idiots. We don't want a war with Iraq. We want to remove a tyrant from power. There is nothing in Iraq we couldn't get from somewhere else. If it was a true "war" it would last about 20 min and be over with. pankajdaga wrote: Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror Give me one example of this - one. Just who's resources are we "sucking" up? What "puppet" regime? And while it may not put and end to terror it will make other nation/states aware of the consequences of harboring terrorists or using terrorisim as a tool and this will go a long way to ending the practice. pankajdaga wrote: I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. And then we will kill you and then your childern can hate us and then we will kill them ad infinitum.. Or they will kill themselves trying to emulate their father. Who do you think will last the longest - your family line or the US. The insanity has to end some where either thru attrition or education. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
Another true believer in the long long list of idiots. We don't want a war with Iraq. We want to remove a tyrant from power. There is nothing in Iraq we couldn't get from somewhere else. If it was a true "war" it would last about 20 min and be over with. Oh wow! Another bloody misguided soul who thinks that US has the hand of God to remove or put tyrants to run countries. Grow out of your shell and start learning about other side of the planet. The evidence against Iraq supporting terrorists (especially the Sept. 11 terrorists) is flimsy at best. Countries like Pakistan has more links to Al-Qaida and the likes than Iraq. And then we will kill you and then your childern can hate us and then we will kill them ad infinitum.. Or they will kill themselves trying to emulate their father. Who do you think will last the longest - your family line or the US. The insanity has to end some where either thru attrition or education. Such comments are uncalled for. I am just saying that the roots of hatrad will not go away through mindless destruction. You cannot hold someone guilty until proven innocent. Same thing happened in Afghanistan. Forget Osama's children, you could not even get the man and killed thousand innocents instead and probably watered his family tree. So MORON, sorry to disappoint you, the hatrad will last much longer than US or people like you. Anyways, did not want to fuel a war. And I am sure all you supporters of FREE SPEECH AND FREEDOM that you have been harking about, would not mind me having a different view than yours. Or wait, true democracy means everyone has to agree with everyone. Forgot that for a sec.. Without struggle, there is no progress
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JohnJ wrote: Its going to need more "flesh on the bones" than a series of unsubstantiated statements Exactly what "proof" do you need ? Would maybe a nuke over London be enough proof ? Or maybe a little Sarin over Manchester ? And Uncle Adolph was not going to move on France either was he. He promised Mr. Chamberlain he wouldn't do it. He promised ! He promised ! The best defense is and always will be a good offense. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
Richard Stringer wrote: Exactly what "proof" do you need ? Me, none - if we had any sense we would have got rid of the sod in the Gulf War, but we didn't :confused: However in the UK the media and Politicians are in Mr. Chamberlain mode partly because the existing leadership does not have a good reputation for telling the plain truth. :mad: JohnJ :zzz::zzz:Sleep(28800000); :zzz::zzz: http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk[^]