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  • J Jim Crafton

    I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

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    AFAIK, you must have VS 2008 in order to use the new language features in .Net 3.5. If you don't need those sort of things, I don't personally see any need to bother

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    • J Jim Crafton

      I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

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      Nish Nishant
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      Code Analysis would be an advantage (if you use it).

      Regards, Nish


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        Code Analysis would be an advantage (if you use it).

        Regards, Nish


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        Jim Crafton
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        That would be a C# only thing right? Based on how 2005 works, I would assume there's little to no support for C++ there.

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        • J Jim Crafton

          That would be a C# only thing right? Based on how 2005 works, I would assume there's little to no support for C++ there.

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          N a v a n e e t h
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          Intellisense support is better for C++ projects in VS2008 compared to 2005.

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          • J Jim Crafton

            That would be a C# only thing right? Based on how 2005 works, I would assume there's little to no support for C++ there.

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            Nish Nishant
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            Yeah I don't know if it supports C++ at all - never used it for that.

            Regards, Nish


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            • J Jim Crafton

              I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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              Douglas Troy
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              Jim, I've not used C++/MFC stuffs in VS2008, so I cannot speak to what the advantages/disadvantages would be, however, with the pending release of VS 2010, you might consider just waiting. "They" (being Microsoft) are claiming that VS2010 is the next VS6; if that turns out to be the case, I would think that's the release you would want. My two cents. (Perhaps you could download the VS2010 CTP and check into it? Just a thought)


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              • J Jim Crafton

                That would be a C# only thing right? Based on how 2005 works, I would assume there's little to no support for C++ there.

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                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                Jim Crafton wrote:

                no support for C++ there.

                There is support via Microsoft SAL (it was in VS2005 too). Basically, you decorate your code with annotations such as the following:

                _Check_return_ _CRTIMP _CONST_RETURN void * __cdecl memchr( _In_opt_bytecount_(_MaxCount) const void * _Buf , _In_ int _Val, _In_ size_t _MaxCount);

                More on this here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235402(VS.80).aspx[^]

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                • J Jim Crafton

                  I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

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                  Nemanja Trifunovic
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                  MFC Feature Pack[^] and TR1 support would be some of the reasons to switch.

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                  • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                    no support for C++ there.

                    There is support via Microsoft SAL (it was in VS2005 too). Basically, you decorate your code with annotations such as the following:

                    _Check_return_ _CRTIMP _CONST_RETURN void * __cdecl memchr( _In_opt_bytecount_(_MaxCount) const void * _Buf , _In_ int _Val, _In_ size_t _MaxCount);

                    More on this here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235402(VS.80).aspx[^]

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                    Jim Crafton
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                    Holy crap, I just looked at that link. I think my eyes are bleeding now. Who was the fail pony that approved that monstrosity!? Definitely not going to be using that.

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                      Jim, I've not used C++/MFC stuffs in VS2008, so I cannot speak to what the advantages/disadvantages would be, however, with the pending release of VS 2010, you might consider just waiting. "They" (being Microsoft) are claiming that VS2010 is the next VS6; if that turns out to be the case, I would think that's the release you would want. My two cents. (Perhaps you could download the VS2010 CTP and check into it? Just a thought)


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                      Jim Crafton
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                      Douglas Troy wrote:

                      (Perhaps you could download the VS2010 CTP and check into it? Just a thought)

                      I did actually try it a bit. I fail to see how it lives up to the claim of "VS2010 is the next VS6". I have no idea how soon we would see that at work, so it might take a good while before it's even available to me.

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Holy crap, I just looked at that link. I think my eyes are bleeding now. Who was the fail pony that approved that monstrosity!? Definitely not going to be using that.

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                        Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                        Imagine the plight of the poor developer who had to fix all the header files.

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                          Imagine the plight of the poor developer who had to fix all the header files.

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                          Jim Crafton
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                          Ick, what a nightmare. I'll bet the swearing by that guy must have reached epic proportions!

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                            AFAIK, you must have VS 2008 in order to use the new language features in .Net 3.5. If you don't need those sort of things, I don't personally see any need to bother

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                            Todd Smith
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                            Those new language features are really nice imho for C#. For C++ I have no clue. We abandoned that platform several years ago :\

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                            • J Jim Crafton

                              I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

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                              leppie
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                              VS2008 is indeed the prettiest editor available (only to be equaled by xacc.ide :) )

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                                Those new language features are really nice imho for C#. For C++ I have no clue. We abandoned that platform several years ago :\

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                                Yeah, they're delightful. I use LINQ in all of my personal projects nowadays

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                                • J Jim Crafton

                                  Douglas Troy wrote:

                                  (Perhaps you could download the VS2010 CTP and check into it? Just a thought)

                                  I did actually try it a bit. I fail to see how it lives up to the claim of "VS2010 is the next VS6". I have no idea how soon we would see that at work, so it might take a good while before it's even available to me.

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                                  Douglas Troy
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                                  Emmm ... well, from reading what others have said about Intellisense, it might be worth the jump. Wouldn't hurt to get on 2008, so you could get all these new fang-dangled WPF/WCF articles, compile them and then join the plethora of ranting about how badly it all sucks and how the world is going to end in a fiery pit of hell spawn mac lovers. ... or something along those lines, anyway.


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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    I found out that at work I can get my copy of VS 2005 upgraded to 2008. Given that most of what I do is C++ (about 50% MFC, 50% non-MFC server based code), with some newer projects being written in C# (absolutely *NO* WPF), is there any burning reason to bother upgrading? Any hidden gotchas waiting for me if I do upgrade?

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                                    Joe Woodbury
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                                    I use both (and VC++ 6.) For C++, VS 2008 is a marginal improvement over VS 2005. I don't think it's worth purchasing the upgrade, but definitely worthwhile if you already have a copy. (If upgrading from VC++ 6, it's worth skipping VS 2005, though we're taking so long where I'm at, I figure VS 2010 will be out. [FYI, it has to do with out installed base of XPe systems and getting the runtimes down.])

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                                      Code Analysis would be an advantage (if you use it).

                                      Regards, Nish


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                                      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      Isn't that team edition only?

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                                        Isn't that team edition only?

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                                        Nish Nishant
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                                        dan neely wrote:

                                        Isn't that team edition only?

                                        Could be - I usually install the highest edition that comes with MSDN.

                                        Regards, Nish


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                                          Yeah, they're delightful. I use LINQ in all of my personal projects nowadays

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                                          Really? I could find no useful purpose at all for LINQ, quite the opposite, it makes highly dense hard to maintain code that provides no real world benefit at all except to make developers feel like they're doing something new and cool. :)


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