Attack on google street view
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Their point is moot. If your home "security" is based on "there is no picture of it", then you have no security. It's just the good ol' security by obscurity. Plus, if you don't want the picture to be taken then that's a sign that you're hiding something valuable, right? At least, if I were a burglar, that's what I would think. Of course nothing would stop me from driving through that street with a concealed camera so why wouldn't I do that? Then I'd have 1) the location of a house with something in it that is worth protecting and, 2) pictures so I can see where the security equipment is etc.
Personally, I'd have been thrilled no end if I was ever featured in a Google street view scene :-)
Regards, Nish
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Their point is moot. If your home "security" is based on "there is no picture of it", then you have no security. It's just the good ol' security by obscurity. Plus, if you don't want the picture to be taken then that's a sign that you're hiding something valuable, right? At least, if I were a burglar, that's what I would think. Of course nothing would stop me from driving through that street with a concealed camera so why wouldn't I do that? Then I'd have 1) the location of a house with something in it that is worth protecting and, 2) pictures so I can see where the security equipment is etc.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I'd have been thrilled no end if I was ever featured in a Google street view scene
How much are you willing to pay for the negatives Nish?
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How much are you willing to pay for the negatives Nish?
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Personally, I'd have been thrilled no end if I was ever featured in a Google street view scene :-)
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I'd have been thrilled no end if I was ever featured in a Google street view scene
How much are you willing to pay for the negatives Nish?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Their point is moot. If your home "security" is based on "there is no picture of it", then you have no security. It's just the good ol' security by obscurity. Plus, if you don't want the picture to be taken then that's a sign that you're hiding something valuable, right? At least, if I were a burglar, that's what I would think. Of course nothing would stop me from driving through that street with a concealed camera so why wouldn't I do that? Then I'd have 1) the location of a house with something in it that is worth protecting and, 2) pictures so I can see where the security equipment is etc.
Regardless of how this particular group of people handled matters, the issue itself is real. Personal privacy is being continually eroded on a wide variety of technology enabled fronts. Additionally, each new generation who grows up in this environment will find it less and less unusual since they have never known a time when it was different, allowing the problem to worsen without resistance due to their apathy. I understand that this is an international community, and that not all nations or cultures have a strong sense of individual rights. However, this continual erosion of privacy (and the apathy of technology savvy generations) is rampant even in America, where we're supposed to care about such things. The modern mantra of the Internet generation is that all information should be free, all intellectual property should have no rights or ownership, all data should be shared with everyone without restraint, and in fact there should be no restrictions of any kind for anyone. By the time they figure out the many personal vulnerabilities that come with such an environment, it will be too late. Data, once gathered, never really goes away. The fact that Google is large, powerful, and owns a camera does not make it more important than the rights and privacy of the individuals who populate the world community.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Personally, I'd have been thrilled no end if I was ever featured in a Google street view scene :-)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkA friend of mine is caught by Google Camera Van as he stood in front of his house. He likes it. He remembers the exact date and time the picture of taken. He does not recall noticing the camera van. He was not aware of the fact until it was brought to his attention though another friend. ;)
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Their point is moot. If your home "security" is based on "there is no picture of it", then you have no security. It's just the good ol' security by obscurity. Plus, if you don't want the picture to be taken then that's a sign that you're hiding something valuable, right? At least, if I were a burglar, that's what I would think. Of course nothing would stop me from driving through that street with a concealed camera so why wouldn't I do that? Then I'd have 1) the location of a house with something in it that is worth protecting and, 2) pictures so I can see where the security equipment is etc.
I'm with the anti-Street View brigade on this one, even though it's cool in a sinister Big Brother-ish kind of way. Did Google actually ask anyone's permission before embarking on this project to map every street on the planet? Are they operating with a public mandate? Is it ultimately accountable to anyone except its own board and shareholders. No, no and no. Everyone in their right mind would be utterly aghast if their own elected and accountable Government did something like this. They should be even more aghast that an unaccountable and seemingly unassailable corporation can do something like this without seeking permission.
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Regardless of how this particular group of people handled matters, the issue itself is real. Personal privacy is being continually eroded on a wide variety of technology enabled fronts. Additionally, each new generation who grows up in this environment will find it less and less unusual since they have never known a time when it was different, allowing the problem to worsen without resistance due to their apathy. I understand that this is an international community, and that not all nations or cultures have a strong sense of individual rights. However, this continual erosion of privacy (and the apathy of technology savvy generations) is rampant even in America, where we're supposed to care about such things. The modern mantra of the Internet generation is that all information should be free, all intellectual property should have no rights or ownership, all data should be shared with everyone without restraint, and in fact there should be no restrictions of any kind for anyone. By the time they figure out the many personal vulnerabilities that come with such an environment, it will be too late. Data, once gathered, never really goes away. The fact that Google is large, powerful, and owns a camera does not make it more important than the rights and privacy of the individuals who populate the world community.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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I'm with the anti-Street View brigade on this one, even though it's cool in a sinister Big Brother-ish kind of way. Did Google actually ask anyone's permission before embarking on this project to map every street on the planet? Are they operating with a public mandate? Is it ultimately accountable to anyone except its own board and shareholders. No, no and no. Everyone in their right mind would be utterly aghast if their own elected and accountable Government did something like this. They should be even more aghast that an unaccountable and seemingly unassailable corporation can do something like this without seeking permission.
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
Did the NSA ask everyone's permission before they started to log everything that goes on on the internet and more? They put up a show of being "for the good of national security" but they just spy on you and everyone else - and they're not for the good of any other country and still we let them spy on us? IMO that's even worse than someone taking a picture of your house (which anyone could do and you wouldn't even notice)
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These people are morons, fueled by the media who seem to have taken a dislike to street view....
It's typical of the media in the UK to inflate technophobic thinking. I would prefer if the energy was fed into the interruption National Identity Cards are going to cause in the future. Everytime new a piece of bureacratic legislation is added, my heart skips a beat!
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I'm with the anti-Street View brigade on this one, even though it's cool in a sinister Big Brother-ish kind of way. Did Google actually ask anyone's permission before embarking on this project to map every street on the planet? Are they operating with a public mandate? Is it ultimately accountable to anyone except its own board and shareholders. No, no and no. Everyone in their right mind would be utterly aghast if their own elected and accountable Government did something like this. They should be even more aghast that an unaccountable and seemingly unassailable corporation can do something like this without seeking permission.
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
That's one of the silliest things I've read in a long time. I can go down to the store and buy a map that details every street in every city in the area. I can then actually go down any of these streets that I choose and see people with my own eyes any time I wish. At no time do I ever need the permission of any one to look at them while they are out on said streets.
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Regardless of how this particular group of people handled matters, the issue itself is real. Personal privacy is being continually eroded on a wide variety of technology enabled fronts. Additionally, each new generation who grows up in this environment will find it less and less unusual since they have never known a time when it was different, allowing the problem to worsen without resistance due to their apathy. I understand that this is an international community, and that not all nations or cultures have a strong sense of individual rights. However, this continual erosion of privacy (and the apathy of technology savvy generations) is rampant even in America, where we're supposed to care about such things. The modern mantra of the Internet generation is that all information should be free, all intellectual property should have no rights or ownership, all data should be shared with everyone without restraint, and in fact there should be no restrictions of any kind for anyone. By the time they figure out the many personal vulnerabilities that come with such an environment, it will be too late. Data, once gathered, never really goes away. The fact that Google is large, powerful, and owns a camera does not make it more important than the rights and privacy of the individuals who populate the world community.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I don't believe this to be the single biggest privacy issue.. there are bigger things at work here.. Every telephone call you make is logged - even as soon as you pick up the hook (if you have a hook to pick up), with a little luck even the conversation itself is logged Every car that crosses a border is logged Every IM message is logged If you have one of those fancy new passports with an RFID chip your privacy is completely gone and it's illegal to destroy the chip in any way Privacy is long gone already.. Add to this a picture of your house, well, what's the difference
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Regardless of how this particular group of people handled matters, the issue itself is real. Personal privacy is being continually eroded on a wide variety of technology enabled fronts. Additionally, each new generation who grows up in this environment will find it less and less unusual since they have never known a time when it was different, allowing the problem to worsen without resistance due to their apathy. I understand that this is an international community, and that not all nations or cultures have a strong sense of individual rights. However, this continual erosion of privacy (and the apathy of technology savvy generations) is rampant even in America, where we're supposed to care about such things. The modern mantra of the Internet generation is that all information should be free, all intellectual property should have no rights or ownership, all data should be shared with everyone without restraint, and in fact there should be no restrictions of any kind for anyone. By the time they figure out the many personal vulnerabilities that come with such an environment, it will be too late. Data, once gathered, never really goes away. The fact that Google is large, powerful, and owns a camera does not make it more important than the rights and privacy of the individuals who populate the world community.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
With respect: Bullshit. You're trying to tie something entirely unrelated to the issue at hand. I agree with you otherwise; privacy is being eroded in a bad way however it's not the fault of the "internet generation" but the fault of the governments in both the UK and the U.S. in the name of anti terrorism and public safety taken *WAAAYY* too far. Google street view is entirely unrelated and trying to tie the two together undermines your argument. One of the most basic human rights is the right to do whatever the hell you want that doesn't harm others, i.e. taking pictures in a public place, looking at whatever you want to, going wherever you want to etc. If we take your argument as being linked to pictures being taken of something in public then you're siding with the crazy laws that are increasingly restricting people from taking photos of *anything* in public which is taking away an important right for no useful purpose.
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I don't believe this to be the single biggest privacy issue.. there are bigger things at work here.. Every telephone call you make is logged - even as soon as you pick up the hook (if you have a hook to pick up), with a little luck even the conversation itself is logged Every car that crosses a border is logged Every IM message is logged If you have one of those fancy new passports with an RFID chip your privacy is completely gone and it's illegal to destroy the chip in any way Privacy is long gone already.. Add to this a picture of your house, well, what's the difference
The difference is that historically in free societies people are allowed to take pictures of whatever the hell they want to within a public space, the other stuff is real and dangerous erosion of rights, the google streetmap thing is entirely unrelated.
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I'm with the anti-Street View brigade on this one, even though it's cool in a sinister Big Brother-ish kind of way. Did Google actually ask anyone's permission before embarking on this project to map every street on the planet? Are they operating with a public mandate? Is it ultimately accountable to anyone except its own board and shareholders. No, no and no. Everyone in their right mind would be utterly aghast if their own elected and accountable Government did something like this. They should be even more aghast that an unaccountable and seemingly unassailable corporation can do something like this without seeking permission.
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
Um...have you lost your freaking mind? :) Since when is it even remotely acceptable to take away a basic right like taking pictures of anything you want to from any public space? The anti-street view brigade are complete nutters clearly. They have *no* right to take away someone's right to take pictures from a publicly accessible space. What next? Reporters aren't allowed to take photos in public spaces. If they don't like it they can build a fence, plant some trees, failing to do so clearly demonstrates that they have *no* problem with people in public looking at their house. People moan and bitch about the UK increasingly surveilling their populace in the name of safety but the dirty secret is that the majority of the UK populace wants it or it wouldn't happen, there is a streak of desire for fascism coming out of the U.K. that always surprises me. I think some of you grew up reading 1984 and thinking it was a bloody fine idea. :)
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That's one of the silliest things I've read in a long time. I can go down to the store and buy a map that details every street in every city in the area. I can then actually go down any of these streets that I choose and see people with my own eyes any time I wish. At no time do I ever need the permission of any one to look at them while they are out on said streets.
Ok, I want you to do this for me: Go and buy yourself a street map. Pick any residential street on that map and make a visit. Take a camera. Photograph each and every residence on that street in detail. If you return home alive, upload those images to your own web space with explicit details on whereabouts of the street you visited, time of day and so forth. Publicise the fact you have done this. Come back and tell me what happens. Either that, or get yourself a clue before making ludicrous analogies that bear no relation to the subject at hand.
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
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Their point is moot. If your home "security" is based on "there is no picture of it", then you have no security. It's just the good ol' security by obscurity. Plus, if you don't want the picture to be taken then that's a sign that you're hiding something valuable, right? At least, if I were a burglar, that's what I would think. Of course nothing would stop me from driving through that street with a concealed camera so why wouldn't I do that? Then I'd have 1) the location of a house with something in it that is worth protecting and, 2) pictures so I can see where the security equipment is etc.
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Um...have you lost your freaking mind? :) Since when is it even remotely acceptable to take away a basic right like taking pictures of anything you want to from any public space? The anti-street view brigade are complete nutters clearly. They have *no* right to take away someone's right to take pictures from a publicly accessible space. What next? Reporters aren't allowed to take photos in public spaces. If they don't like it they can build a fence, plant some trees, failing to do so clearly demonstrates that they have *no* problem with people in public looking at their house. People moan and bitch about the UK increasingly surveilling their populace in the name of safety but the dirty secret is that the majority of the UK populace wants it or it wouldn't happen, there is a streak of desire for fascism coming out of the U.K. that always surprises me. I think some of you grew up reading 1984 and thinking it was a bloody fine idea. :)
Since when was a private residence a public space?
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Orkney, Broughton, right? Here's a fun one, go to google maps and type that in, then hit thet "satellite" view a few zooms out. . . or even several zooms out. Forget privacy, how'd they get the google van to drive underwater?
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Since when was a private residence a public space?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?