De-mockery != Democracy
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This may be preempting the decision of the South African NPA (National Prosecuting Authority), but I would like to hear the views of the rest of the world as far as this sitatuon goes. Basically what we have is our popular presidential candidate, Jacob Zuma (not exactly the most savory of characters at the best of times), currently has charges of bribery & corruption leveled against him. Now, he and his legal reps have been fighting tooth and nail to keep him out of court (despite his assurances that he would have his day in court to prove his innocence), and have recently made representations to the NPA to get the charges against him dropped because they apparently have evidence of political interference in the case, and some form of bigger conspiracy. At the moment, it seems like the NPA are leaning towards dropping the charges, but the decision has yet to be made public. Some of the reasons that have come out are that the conspiracy is too big to act against????!?! So it seems they feel they should drop the charges against Jacob Zuma, not because he is innocent, but because to charge everyone involved would cause too much political instability? Am I the only one who feels this is a bit farcical? Or does the rest of the world not think that if there are more guilty parties they should all be charged? What does the rest of CP think? Anyone else following this case? Well, when the official announcement is made on whether they will drop the charges later today (11:00 CAT), I'll let you all know. I am hoping the NPA will suprise me and won't bow to the political pressure.
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This may be preempting the decision of the South African NPA (National Prosecuting Authority), but I would like to hear the views of the rest of the world as far as this sitatuon goes. Basically what we have is our popular presidential candidate, Jacob Zuma (not exactly the most savory of characters at the best of times), currently has charges of bribery & corruption leveled against him. Now, he and his legal reps have been fighting tooth and nail to keep him out of court (despite his assurances that he would have his day in court to prove his innocence), and have recently made representations to the NPA to get the charges against him dropped because they apparently have evidence of political interference in the case, and some form of bigger conspiracy. At the moment, it seems like the NPA are leaning towards dropping the charges, but the decision has yet to be made public. Some of the reasons that have come out are that the conspiracy is too big to act against????!?! So it seems they feel they should drop the charges against Jacob Zuma, not because he is innocent, but because to charge everyone involved would cause too much political instability? Am I the only one who feels this is a bit farcical? Or does the rest of the world not think that if there are more guilty parties they should all be charged? What does the rest of CP think? Anyone else following this case? Well, when the official announcement is made on whether they will drop the charges later today (11:00 CAT), I'll let you all know. I am hoping the NPA will suprise me and won't bow to the political pressure.
We do not convict our most serious offenders. Instead we pay them ungodly sums to speak in prestigious institutions and tell others how to scam the system. So, really, we have no right to criticize whatever you guys do with yours.
Don't let my name fool you. That's my job.
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This may be preempting the decision of the South African NPA (National Prosecuting Authority), but I would like to hear the views of the rest of the world as far as this sitatuon goes. Basically what we have is our popular presidential candidate, Jacob Zuma (not exactly the most savory of characters at the best of times), currently has charges of bribery & corruption leveled against him. Now, he and his legal reps have been fighting tooth and nail to keep him out of court (despite his assurances that he would have his day in court to prove his innocence), and have recently made representations to the NPA to get the charges against him dropped because they apparently have evidence of political interference in the case, and some form of bigger conspiracy. At the moment, it seems like the NPA are leaning towards dropping the charges, but the decision has yet to be made public. Some of the reasons that have come out are that the conspiracy is too big to act against????!?! So it seems they feel they should drop the charges against Jacob Zuma, not because he is innocent, but because to charge everyone involved would cause too much political instability? Am I the only one who feels this is a bit farcical? Or does the rest of the world not think that if there are more guilty parties they should all be charged? What does the rest of CP think? Anyone else following this case? Well, when the official announcement is made on whether they will drop the charges later today (11:00 CAT), I'll let you all know. I am hoping the NPA will suprise me and won't bow to the political pressure.
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Sadly, I think that is where the smart money goes. :(( I am still hoping that they pull a suprise out of the hat, but that is honestly just foolish optimism.
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And the smart money was on the button. :(( All charges have been dropped. So our next leader will always have the cloud of suspicion hanging over his head. Weeee :((
Was there any doubt there, I was over visiting my in-laws in September last year when Thabo Mbeki was ousted. Talking to my wifes Aunt (some kind of employment law commissioner) if the charges were upheld the problem would have then been to find a Judge willing to hear the case...
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And the smart money was on the button. :(( All charges have been dropped. So our next leader will always have the cloud of suspicion hanging over his head. Weeee :((
What do you think of the call transcripts that do indeed seem to indicate an abuse of process?
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What do you think of the call transcripts that do indeed seem to indicate an abuse of process?
I think they are valid, but I don't think they detract from the fact that Zuma has technically be found guilty by association (the whole Schabir Shaik thing, it takes two for bribery, the briber and the bribee, if the briber is guilty, then surely by default the bribee should be to). I think that rather than dropping the charges, they should proceed with them, and extend the case to include those other elements that are guilty of political interference. But I am not a lawyer, so I may be way off key.
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This may be preempting the decision of the South African NPA (National Prosecuting Authority), but I would like to hear the views of the rest of the world as far as this sitatuon goes. Basically what we have is our popular presidential candidate, Jacob Zuma (not exactly the most savory of characters at the best of times), currently has charges of bribery & corruption leveled against him. Now, he and his legal reps have been fighting tooth and nail to keep him out of court (despite his assurances that he would have his day in court to prove his innocence), and have recently made representations to the NPA to get the charges against him dropped because they apparently have evidence of political interference in the case, and some form of bigger conspiracy. At the moment, it seems like the NPA are leaning towards dropping the charges, but the decision has yet to be made public. Some of the reasons that have come out are that the conspiracy is too big to act against????!?! So it seems they feel they should drop the charges against Jacob Zuma, not because he is innocent, but because to charge everyone involved would cause too much political instability? Am I the only one who feels this is a bit farcical? Or does the rest of the world not think that if there are more guilty parties they should all be charged? What does the rest of CP think? Anyone else following this case? Well, when the official announcement is made on whether they will drop the charges later today (11:00 CAT), I'll let you all know. I am hoping the NPA will suprise me and won't bow to the political pressure.
ZaoWuYa wrote:
(not exactly the most savory of characters at the best of times)
ZaoWuYa wrote:
currently has charges of bribery & corruption leveled against him
ZaoWuYa wrote:
bigger conspiracy
ZaoWuYa wrote:
not because he is innocent, but because to charge everyone involved would cause too much political instability
Sounds like he should run for a seat in the U.S. Senate!