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    Kevin McFarlane
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    According to reports, Jonathan Shapiro, one of the primary designers of the BitC programming language and the related Coyotos operating system project, will be joining Microsoft to work on the company's Midori project. BitC Architect Going to Microsoft to Work on Midori[^]

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      According to reports, Jonathan Shapiro, one of the primary designers of the BitC programming language and the related Coyotos operating system project, will be joining Microsoft to work on the company's Midori project. BitC Architect Going to Microsoft to Work on Midori[^]

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      Judah Gabriel Himango
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      Interesting. Does that mean Microsoft is giving more weight to Midori/Singularity? (They're the same thing, right?)

      Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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        According to reports, Jonathan Shapiro, one of the primary designers of the BitC programming language and the related Coyotos operating system project, will be joining Microsoft to work on the company's Midori project. BitC Architect Going to Microsoft to Work on Midori[^]

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        Nathan Tuggy
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        I feel kind of sad. I'd hoped, to tell the truth, to (eventually) be able to switch to Coyotos from Windows. So much for that dream, eh? :sigh: I noticed part of the announcement earlier on the main Coyotos mailing list (notifying all and sundry that Coyotos was basically dead), but I didn't see the BitC one (which went into more detail) until I came here. At least Midori will be good, now. ;)

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          Interesting. Does that mean Microsoft is giving more weight to Midori/Singularity? (They're the same thing, right?)

          Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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          Kevin McFarlane
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          I think at the very least the technology in Midori/Singularity will surface in some form. It looks like something similar may be happening with IE[^] too. Of course, atthis stage they deny any connection with IE. But I bet the technology surfaces somewhere.

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            Interesting. Does that mean Microsoft is giving more weight to Midori/Singularity? (They're the same thing, right?)

            Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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            Not quite. Singularity was a we're just f'ing around (R&D) project. Midori is the successor and is being run at the we think something big could come out of this level (incubator); that's not to say something will, office live got to this stage at one point before being nixed. Given other MS projects to write pure managed win32/64/gdi implementations, I think there's a good case to be made that combined they represent part of MS's post windows plan.

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              Not quite. Singularity was a we're just f'ing around (R&D) project. Midori is the successor and is being run at the we think something big could come out of this level (incubator); that's not to say something will, office live got to this stage at one point before being nixed. Given other MS projects to write pure managed win32/64/gdi implementations, I think there's a good case to be made that combined they represent part of MS's post windows plan.

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              dan neely wrote:

              Given other MS projects to write pure managed win32/64/gdi implementations, I think there's a good case to be made that combined they represent part of MS's post windows plan.

              Man, that's really cool. Of course, the real benefit to the end user seems to be this isolation of processes and app verification, providing some guaranteed level of stability not possible in modern Windows. Hard to imagine this replacing Windows, however. Seems like the compatibility story for that would be one long nightmare. But who knows...

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                dan neely wrote:

                Given other MS projects to write pure managed win32/64/gdi implementations, I think there's a good case to be made that combined they represent part of MS's post windows plan.

                Man, that's really cool. Of course, the real benefit to the end user seems to be this isolation of processes and app verification, providing some guaranteed level of stability not possible in modern Windows. Hard to imagine this replacing Windows, however. Seems like the compatibility story for that would be one long nightmare. But who knows...

                Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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                I strongly suspect they'd need to implement a virtualization layer for legacy support that was used similar to the current back compatibility features. OTOH I believe WINE is able to run most windows apps at this point and they've had to do everything as black box testing; which is a much more difficult route than MS would be forced to go down.

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                  I strongly suspect they'd need to implement a virtualization layer for legacy support that was used similar to the current back compatibility features. OTOH I believe WINE is able to run most windows apps at this point and they've had to do everything as black box testing; which is a much more difficult route than MS would be forced to go down.

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                  Judah Gabriel Himango
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                  Good points. So, does Dan Neely predict Microsoft will make Midori the new Windows within the next 10 years?

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                    Good points. So, does Dan Neely predict Microsoft will make Midori the new Windows within the next 10 years?

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                    Yup. I also predict that version 1.0 will bomb and it'll take another 2-5 years and 1-3 more versions before it works well enough to kill off windows classic. :rolleyes:

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                      Yup. I also predict that version 1.0 will bomb and it'll take another 2-5 years and 1-3 more versions before it works well enough to kill off windows classic. :rolleyes:

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                      dan neely wrote:

                      Yup.

                      Bold prediction.

                      dan neely wrote:

                      I also predict that version 1.0 will bomb and it'll take another 2-5 years and 1-3 more versions before it works well enough to kill off windows classic.

                      Well now you're just talking about cetainties. :) You may as well predict it will rain in the next 10 years or so. :)

                      Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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