Tired of Eclipse
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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I hear that JDeveloper is really good. Netbeans is terrible, stay away from it. What exactly is bothering you with Eclipse? Less the bloat, its actually quite good. Bear in mind, I've used it for C/C++ and LAMP development on FreeBSD and not Java (at least not since forever).
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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Tired of Eclipse.. for anyone who isn't I'll just list a few things about it that I find annoying. * scrollbars disappear right when you need them * slow gui. All Java programs seem to have this problem. (except the ones that use OpenGL) * takes a far too long time to load - it even needs a progressbar! * project creation is painful and incomplete * whitespace fixups don't happen automatically enough * automatic parenthesis and bracket fixup is more annoying than useful * there are no code snippets like "ctor tab tab" (or they are hidden) * the intellisense and autocomplete are crap. * the debugger is also crap. I'm sure this is all configurable, but that is no excuse. I've never found a better Java IDE though. But I haven't really looked, I only torture myself with Java when a practical assignment forces me to.
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And what about debugging?
meh. I use the visual debugger on some really difficult problems but if you are using your debugger to write code you have an engineering fault. I am of the philosophy that code should be designed in such a way that it should not build if it is in error and MS is of the philosophy that any idiot with notepad should be able to change production code (declarative programming). I have already lost in the battle so my opinion doesn't really matter.
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Tired of Eclipse.. for anyone who isn't I'll just list a few things about it that I find annoying. * scrollbars disappear right when you need them * slow gui. All Java programs seem to have this problem. (except the ones that use OpenGL) * takes a far too long time to load - it even needs a progressbar! * project creation is painful and incomplete * whitespace fixups don't happen automatically enough * automatic parenthesis and bracket fixup is more annoying than useful * there are no code snippets like "ctor tab tab" (or they are hidden) * the intellisense and autocomplete are crap. * the debugger is also crap. I'm sure this is all configurable, but that is no excuse. I've never found a better Java IDE though. But I haven't really looked, I only torture myself with Java when a practical assignment forces me to.
Visual J++ before the lawsuit was awesome.
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Tired of Eclipse.. for anyone who isn't I'll just list a few things about it that I find annoying. * scrollbars disappear right when you need them * slow gui. All Java programs seem to have this problem. (except the ones that use OpenGL) * takes a far too long time to load - it even needs a progressbar! * project creation is painful and incomplete * whitespace fixups don't happen automatically enough * automatic parenthesis and bracket fixup is more annoying than useful * there are no code snippets like "ctor tab tab" (or they are hidden) * the intellisense and autocomplete are crap. * the debugger is also crap. I'm sure this is all configurable, but that is no excuse. I've never found a better Java IDE though. But I haven't really looked, I only torture myself with Java when a practical assignment forces me to.
harold aptroot wrote:
slow gui. All Java programs seem to have this problem
Well, AFAIK slow UI is by design by java. ;P (If someone has a counterexample, I'd be glad to see something running decently in java, and not on a CRAY).
harold aptroot wrote:
takes a far too long time to load - it even needs a progressbar!
How many times a day do you load it ?
harold aptroot wrote:
I'm sure this is all configurable, but that is no excuse.
Well, I think it is. This is not some shitty plug-and-play IDE where you cannot configure anything and must post in the Lounge everytime it crashes because all you can do about it is rant. It is pure flexibility, and what you do not find at your test can be changed using plug-ins. Of course, you spend more time configuring it than simply double-clicking on the executable, but hell, that's the way to go. With the very same mentality, you would not be able to drive a car.
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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I agree here. I have been forced to use Java in a small project here (using the IBM Rational Developer suite based on Eclipse) and find not just the IDE, but the entire development process to be quite infuriating. Who the hell invented Faces anyway? Just getting Navigation to work between pages is pure hell. Ha... and people say that VB is bad. I would rather try to write a web app in C++ than this junk.
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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Jetbrain's IntelliJ editor is worth every penny (if you don't mind coughing up a few)
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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+1 for JCreator.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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Jetbrain's IntelliJ editor is worth every penny (if you don't mind coughing up a few)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Yeah, unfortunately that's not gonna happen. I was thinking about that myself, as I remembered others here had mentioned it before.
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Little things, like having to manually tell it which files to exclude every time I want to export a jar from my project, never remembering what directory you're in when you do "File > Open" (it seems to want to start you out in your home dir, which is really frigging annoying), various other stupid annoyances.
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Hi Jim, I'm with you there... although i don't tend to use it often (but I will as we progress with our Eclipse integration, importing an existing application into the workbench is not obvious.. Anyway you could try the opensource Code::Blocks, it has a debug facility but requires configuration. Beth
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I agree here. I have been forced to use Java in a small project here (using the IBM Rational Developer suite based on Eclipse) and find not just the IDE, but the entire development process to be quite infuriating. Who the hell invented Faces anyway? Just getting Navigation to work between pages is pure hell. Ha... and people say that VB is bad. I would rather try to write a web app in C++ than this junk.
Ray Cassick wrote:
I would rather try to write a web app in C++ than this junk.
Be careful what you wish for...
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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It dose make a nice change to hear someone complain of an IDE different to VS2008.
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meh. I use the visual debugger on some really difficult problems but if you are using your debugger to write code you have an engineering fault. I am of the philosophy that code should be designed in such a way that it should not build if it is in error and MS is of the philosophy that any idiot with notepad should be able to change production code (declarative programming). I have already lost in the battle so my opinion doesn't really matter.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
code should be designed in such a way that it should not build if it is in error
And how on earth do you enforce that? e.g. Code to multiply two numbers (Admittedly a very simplistic example)
int x = 3; int y = 4; int z = x + y; // incorrect operator, but will still compileStep through that in a debugger, and the error will be immediately obvious. -
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
code should be designed in such a way that it should not build if it is in error
And how on earth do you enforce that? e.g. Code to multiply two numbers (Admittedly a very simplistic example)
int x = 3; int y = 4; int z = x + y; // incorrect operator, but will still compileStep through that in a debugger, and the error will be immediately obvious.The situation you have described is caught with Unit Testing and Test Driven development, not the debugger. And my build script is setup to make those appear as build errors.
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The situation you have described is caught with Unit Testing and Test Driven development, not the debugger. And my build script is setup to make those appear as build errors.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Yes, unit test will tell you something is wrong, but unless you write test for every line of code I don't see how you will know what exactly is wrong in situations that are more complicated than simple
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And what about debugging?
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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Your post reminded me that I have Sun One Studio on my system, it is built on NetBeans so it is probably slower and bloatier, haven't used it in yonks so I decided to fire it up. After loading, it went into the usual check-for-updates routine, and informed me that the SunOne Update Server was unavailable. Hmmm, anything to do with Oracle, do you think?
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I'm getting more and more annoyed with Eclipse as a Java IDE. Anybody got any recommendations for IDEs that they like better, and are free? I'd be happy to use a non-free one, but I know I'm never going to get a PO from work to purchase something.
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