Either way, it's all about oil!
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
I think it is all about aliens. That is just as plausible. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
A little oil helps eggs fry. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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A little oil helps eggs fry. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: A little oil helps eggs fry. Very true. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
people here would probably faint if i said i didn't believe that what the author describes is at least part of the story of GWB's dreams of conquest. :) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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A little oil helps eggs fry. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Oh, yeah. Although, I prefer egs fried on margarine. :cool: :beer:
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people here would probably faint if i said i didn't believe that what the author describes is at least part of the story of GWB's dreams of conquest. :) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
LOL... Come of Chris, you can do it if you tried. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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people here would probably faint if i said i didn't believe that what the author describes is at least part of the story of GWB's dreams of conquest. :) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
Doesn't every Texan yearn for national, if not global conquest? (we Coloradoans don't like Texans much... ;P ) "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
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Doesn't every Texan yearn for national, if not global conquest? (we Coloradoans don't like Texans much... ;P ) "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
That is because the air is too thin up there. :laugh:;P Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
On the other hand, if the US was only concerned about oil, it could easily allow US corporations to build a pipeline through Iran. (Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them.) Additionally, it could increase oil production by removing sanctions on Iraq. Oops! I'm sorry if I'm clumbsily destroying your arguement. Did I mention that oil can be routed through Russia? (Oh gosh, am I making too much sense?) How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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people here would probably faint if i said i didn't believe that what the author describes is at least part of the story of GWB's dreams of conquest. :) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
Chris Losinger wrote: GWB's dreams of conquest GWB is a politician, and therefore by definition not smart enough to conquer his dog. Generals conquer. Politicians administrate. Dogs urinate in inconvenient places, which probably qualifies them for either job. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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On the other hand, if the US was only concerned about oil, it could easily allow US corporations to build a pipeline through Iran. (Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them.) Additionally, it could increase oil production by removing sanctions on Iraq. Oops! I'm sorry if I'm clumbsily destroying your arguement. Did I mention that oil can be routed through Russia? (Oh gosh, am I making too much sense?) How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion - LOL :-D The following statement about your geekness is true. The previous statement about your geekness is not true. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT/P d- s: a- C++++$ UL+>++++ P+ L++$ E- W+++$ N !o K+ w++$ O---- M-- PS- PE Y+ PGP--- t !5 X- tv b+++ DI++ D+ G++ e++>e+++ h--- r+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
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That is because the air is too thin up there. :laugh:;P Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Well, I work in Boulder, and it get's pretty thick around there! My uncle refers to Boulder as "Colorado's Forty-square Miles of Unreality" ;P "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
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On the other hand, if the US was only concerned about oil, it could easily allow US corporations to build a pipeline through Iran. (Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them.) Additionally, it could increase oil production by removing sanctions on Iraq. Oops! I'm sorry if I'm clumbsily destroying your arguement. Did I mention that oil can be routed through Russia? (Oh gosh, am I making too much sense?) How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
Brit wrote: How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. See this is the way to do it. Let new technology reduce the strategic importance of the region. We can then stop supporting the tin pot dicatorships (Saudi, Kuwait etc). Then maybe the area will get around to sorting out it's own problems instead of using the oil as a bargining tool. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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LOL... Come of Chris, you can do it if you tried. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
i tried. but then i thought: hmm... Saddam probably doesn't want to attack the US outright; he knows his little kingdom would be a slag heap within hours. so, Iraq probably isn't a direct threat to the US and GWB must know this, regardless of what he says. maybe Saddam wants to attack his neighbors, but he must remember how quickly he was driven back last time. so, he's probably not a real threat to his neighbors. GWB must know this, too. maybe Saddam wants to help or harbor terrorists, but he's not the only one on that list. GWB must know this, too, but as far as I know, we're not lined up to invade Syria, Saudi Arabia or Indonesia. so, that brings us back to the question we've been asking for months: why is GWB so intent on attacking Iraq? the oil angle makes sense - and while maybe it's not the whole story, it's safe to assume that GWB would love to have Iraq's huge oil reserves under US control (via a hand-picked puppet government). of course, he'd probably love to have another US-friendly government in that region of the world, too -which brings up many more nefarious scenarios! :) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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On the other hand, if the US was only concerned about oil, it could easily allow US corporations to build a pipeline through Iran. (Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them.) Additionally, it could increase oil production by removing sanctions on Iraq. Oops! I'm sorry if I'm clumbsily destroying your arguement. Did I mention that oil can be routed through Russia? (Oh gosh, am I making too much sense?) How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
Yeah, but Iran and Russia didn't try to kill Bush & his papa... Saddam orchestrated a (failed) assassination attempt on them when they were in Kuwait in 1992/1993. Personally, I think that this move against Iraq has 3 (or more) purposes: 1. Permentantly remove Saddam from power (a good thing for everyone, except Saddam) 2. Remove some of the power from OPEC by removing Iraq's oil supply from them, and thereby cutting off some of the money that goes into those terrorist supporting countries (a good thing for everyone, except the terrorists) 3. Break in half the largest terrorist-supporting region in the world (Iraq is between Syria and Iran), and be able to "potentially" provide long-term stability to the region (a good thing for everyone except the radical islamists who want to kill everyone that doesn't think like they do) The whole world has been having to deal with this region constantly for years, and even if Israel wasn't over there, the world would still have to deal with OPEC and the jihadis. IMO, Israel's just their current excuse for their behavior -- before Israel was there, Britain had to deal with the Arabs, and before they were against Britain, they were against each other! Sooner or later, people will realize that peace in the Middle East just isn't going to happen until a BIG country (or a bunch of them) says "We've had enough!" And who knows what will happen then? :confused: "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
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On the other hand, if the US was only concerned about oil, it could easily allow US corporations to build a pipeline through Iran. (Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them.) Additionally, it could increase oil production by removing sanctions on Iraq. Oops! I'm sorry if I'm clumbsily destroying your arguement. Did I mention that oil can be routed through Russia? (Oh gosh, am I making too much sense?) How about the fact that alternative fuel vehicles are starting to arrive (8 major car manufacturers will have alternative-fuel vehicles available by 2005). Hence, there is no need to secure oil reserves over the course of the next few decades. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
Brit wrote: Oil companies have wanted to do this for a long time, but the US government has stopped them on "aiding terrorist" grounds. which is very interesting, seeing as they're more than happy to let us burn Saudi Arabiain oil. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
I have no love for Iraq or any other American hating culture. However, the biggest problem I have with attacking Iraq is timing. 10 years ago, we defeated their army and set some rules for the cessation of hostilities. Iraq has consistently ignored these for the past 10 years. It's awfully damned late to suddenly get a case of righteous indignation and attack them. We should have immediately resumed air strikes and leveled their infrastructure each and every time they broke the rules, without hesitation and without exception. Not doing so in the past makes it very difficult to do so now. Of course, there are no simple and easy answers. Glad I didn't choose politics as a career. Well, non-corporate politics, anyway. :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Breaking Eggs "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
"You might not be too far off if you wondered if..." "Now expand your concerns to include..." "You wouldn't be paranoid if..." "By this time you would not be too far off if..." "Having reached this point, you couldn't be blamed if..." "Given that conclusion, the next step would be..." "Given all of the above, can you be blamed if..." "Wouldn't it be nice, you'd think, if..." "Then you might remember..." "From that point on it's only a simple step from going ahead and..." There are quite a few "blind leaps" of faith here, call me crazy, but I like my editorials with a little more substance.
Mike Mullikin :beer: You can't really dust for vomit. Nigel Tufnel - Spinal Tap
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Doesn't every Texan yearn for national, if not global conquest? (we Coloradoans don't like Texans much... ;P ) "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty." --Samuel Adams
Chris Hambleton wrote: (we Coloradoans don't like Texans much... The big problem is that Texans go to Colorado for vacation, steal all the good looking women ( and there aren't that many there to start with ) , drive up prices ( we got jobs in Texas ) and then leave - headed back to the promised land. The poor unemployeed over taxed Coloradians just move to Texas on a permanant basis and never leave. One taste of Austin or Dallas and you can't get them back on the farm. Thats the problem. :) Jealousy raises its ugly head once again. Hell if it weren't for the music festivals and semi decent trout fishing I would never go. Denver is polluted and dreary - Boulder is a little hick town - Telluride is OK but there is not much there ( thats why I go there however ). But I usually get out of the car and kiss the "Welcome To Texas" sign on the way back. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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I have no love for Iraq or any other American hating culture. However, the biggest problem I have with attacking Iraq is timing. 10 years ago, we defeated their army and set some rules for the cessation of hostilities. Iraq has consistently ignored these for the past 10 years. It's awfully damned late to suddenly get a case of righteous indignation and attack them. We should have immediately resumed air strikes and leveled their infrastructure each and every time they broke the rules, without hesitation and without exception. Not doing so in the past makes it very difficult to do so now. Of course, there are no simple and easy answers. Glad I didn't choose politics as a career. Well, non-corporate politics, anyway. :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: awfully damned late to suddenly get a case of righteous indignation and attack them Of course there was some numb nuts in office, who was spending too much time in court, and evading responsiblity, to think much about Middle East policy. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}