Who is the conservative?
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Pure paranoia.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I never said there would not be two parties. But the two we now have would cease to exist, just as the whigs and the original democrats did.
Oakman wrote:
the Dems might split into a centrist party and a liberal one.
Than why do you care about we conservatives? Why is it such a big deal to you?
Oakman wrote:
Only in Mrs McGillicuddy's 4th grade history primer.
Back when real american history was still taught.
Oakman wrote:
Tell that to Rush.
I listen to him almost every day. I haven't heard him picking any battles with anyone. he just sits there defending conservatism. Its kind of hard to pick a battle when you are on defense.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why do you care about we conservatives? Why is it such a big deal to you?
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero. I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers. I reallt don't care about Rush very much except as the sine qua non of chicken hawks. You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side. This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
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Oakman wrote:
The problem is that folks are going around announcing that they represent the politically correct police and unless you agree with them, you have to leave the party.
And yet you are the one who wants to force anyone who disagrees with you politically to live in gated communities.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And yet you are the one who wants to force anyone who disagrees with you politically to live in gated communities.
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
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Absolutely. Better dead than red. There is no virtue in compromise, no joy in tolerance.
Rob Graham wrote:
There is no virtue in compromise, no joy in tolerance.
He must have missed that day in history class when they discussed Henry Clay.
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Oakman wrote:
The primary purpose of a political party is to win elections. If it can't win, then it should cease to exist. There seems to be a bunch of social conservatives who would rather see the Republican party become irrelevant than provide a viable alternative to the Dems.
The destruction of one party will mean the ultimate destruction of the other. They exist in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot long survive without the other.
Oakman wrote:
FYI: the Republican party has not always been socially conservative. The Republican party has not always been the toady of Wall Street. The Republican party has not always been warmongers. And the Republican party has not always been the party of old white men - only.
No, but that is what the United States of America as a whole has always largely been.
Oakman wrote:
I learned a long time ago to pick my battles - that way I could win some. I simply realised that the technical term for someone who lost every battle because he was fighting on so many fronts, was "loser."
But we aren't picking any battles at all. We're just standing around watching you 'centrists' fight it out with the leftists. Have fun.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The destruction of one party will mean the ultimate destruction of the other. They exist in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot long survive without the other.
I seem to remember you calling for the destruction of the Democrats in this very forum. We know you'd wet your pants if you had a one party system AND it was YOUR party.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
feel free to compromise any and all of your principles - it'll make your life much easier.
Spoken by a defender of the republican party. The party of GWB which created the largest single expansion of government in history, exceeding even the excesses of Johnson. The party that so completely abandoned any principles of sound economics that they gave $700B to the banks and insurers that they had failed to regulate and oversee in any reasonable fashion. A party that failed to defend our borders, and prosecuted border patrol agents rather than illegals. A party that preferred cronyism to competence, appointing an officious, arrogant, bumbling ass of an incompetent race track lawyer to oversee our emergency response agencies, and let us not forget the fine talent dispatched to see the securing of the peace in Iraq, Bremmer the clueless... Yes these are fine, principled folk. Much to be admired - in a rear view mirror. All excellent representatives of that so principled party... Now you whine that the centrists brought you down? Give me a fucking break. You did yourselves in, displaying your fine principles for all to see.
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Rob Graham wrote:
McCain was persuaded to move hard right, as evidenced by his running mate choice.
Can you tell me one single issue Palin is 'hard right' on? What? She wants to put Jews into gas chambers?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Can you tell me one single issue Palin is 'hard right' on?
You're such a joke on the topic of Palin.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Pure paranoia.
ROFL. I've taught you a new word.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Can you tell me one single issue Palin is 'hard right' on?
You're such a joke on the topic of Palin.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
You're such a joke
it would be absolutely fascinating if you ever posted with something other than a snide remark. have a brain? use it.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Tim Craig wrote:
You're such a joke
it would be absolutely fascinating if you ever posted with something other than a snide remark. have a brain? use it.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
t would be absolutely fascinating if you ever posted with something other than a snide remark. have a brain? use it.
I realized a long time ago that it was pointless debating the merits of Republican conservatism with the likes of you and Stan. However, you're the types who feel that no response is agreement and I'm just here to add a voice of disagreement. Post an intelligent interesting topic and you'll get intelligent responses from me.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The destruction of one party will mean the ultimate destruction of the other. They exist in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot long survive without the other.
I seem to remember you calling for the destruction of the Democrats in this very forum. We know you'd wet your pants if you had a one party system AND it was YOUR party.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
I seem to remember you calling for the destruction of the Democrats in this very forum. We know you'd wet your pants if you had a one party system AND it was YOUR party.
I do call for the destruction of the democrat party. However, it is obvious that the republicans are never going to fight for that. But there is no such thing as a one party political system unless the democrats become fully tyrannical (which is always a possibility). But the democrat party will implode otherwise into two camps. The leftists will again begin defining everything they disagree with as 'right wing' and the process will go on until all the 'centrist' get it through their thicks skulls what is really going on. There is no 'right wing' anywhere in the American political system. Never has been. Not me, not Palin, not Cheney, not you.... No one.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
left is total central government control (just for the hell of it, call it tryanny) and the farther right you go the less central government control you have.
Once upon a time we were talking about government control, period. That was back in the days before the Republicans wanted to replace the tyranny of Washington with the tyranny of Springfield. Used to be that the Republicans were interested in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Used to be.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
the electorate (which I referred to as ignorant) wants the central government to: buy them food, chew it, spit it down their throats then take a sh*t for them. simply disgusting.
Whereas Stan wants his friends and neighbors to do that for him. And tell him which church to attend.
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Oakman wrote:
Once upon a time we were talking about government control, period. That was back in the days before the Republicans wanted to replace the tyranny of Washington with the tyranny of Springfield. Used to be that the Republicans were interested in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Used to be.
No political party in the entire history of the US has ever been for unlimited 'personal freedom'. We have never been a libertarian society. Never.
Oakman wrote:
Whereas Stan wants his friends and neighbors to do that for him. And tell him which church to attend.
What was that you were saying about intellectual dishonesty?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
the shabby treatment he received from the Administration
I never really heard how or why he quit.
Oakman wrote:
self-serving creepazoid we have gotten in the habit of electing
I swear, if you have any interest in helping people or care in the least about preserving the republic there's no place for you at the DC trough. You have to go there as a crook with dollar signs in your eyes and find that you serve lobbies and the super rich bastards, (the kind that wall street titans hope to some day grow up to be). But then again, it's damn hard to find anybody with passing interest in helping others or the republic anyway. I'm not sure where the Rubicon is, but I'm positive we past it. What we need is a non corrupt government, and I don't know how you pull that off. But I'm pretty sure shooting lobbiests on site would be a step in the right direction. Lobbying = state sanctioned corruption.
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BoneSoft wrote:
What we need is a non corrupt government, and I don't know how you pull that off.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
t would be absolutely fascinating if you ever posted with something other than a snide remark. have a brain? use it.
I realized a long time ago that it was pointless debating the merits of Republican conservatism with the likes of you and Stan. However, you're the types who feel that no response is agreement and I'm just here to add a voice of disagreement. Post an intelligent interesting topic and you'll get intelligent responses from me.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
I realized a long time ago that it was pointless debating the merits of Republican conservatism with the likes of you and Stan. However, you're the types who feel that no response is agreement and I'm just here to add a voice of disagreement. Post an intelligent interesting topic and you'll get intelligent responses from me.
You have always been the type who thought getting a blow job in New Orleans was the most profound possible expression of englightenment principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why do you care about we conservatives? Why is it such a big deal to you?
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero. I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers. I reallt don't care about Rush very much except as the sine qua non of chicken hawks. You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side. This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero.
So was Benedict Arnold.
Oakman wrote:
I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers.
Compared to who?
Oakman wrote:
You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side.
I see. SO you come on here ranting about conservatives and I'm the one thinking in groups. yeah, right. Nice try sticking with the narrative, mensa boy.
Oakman wrote:
This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
No, it is absolutist principles that lead to fascism and communism. Such as 'radical individualism', for example.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
And yet you are the one who wants to force anyone who disagrees with you politically to live in gated communities.
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
That isn't what you said. You said that you would not accept any divergence from your political ideal, and that anyone who did not accept them should live in gated communities.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ilíon wrote:
So, if we turn into France-with-a-military we can overlook that little part about having turned into France?
That wasn't what I was talking about at all. You see, it is possible to defend Bush from attacks from knee-jerk liberals without espousing his rather simplistic philosophies of governemnt or claiming that his myriad mistakes were actually successes. Equally, it is possible to point out that Powell is far more conservative in his foreign policies than the other two gentlemen, and a million time more of a patriot than those cowards. By the way, what did you say you did in the war? Shovel shit in Louisianna, perhaps?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Pure paranoia.
ROFL. I've taught you a new word.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I've taught you a new word.
You've certainly helped me understand what it means.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Founding Fathers were radical leftists.
No they weren't. Not even close. To a man, they were as far in the other direction as they possibly could have been. There were all against welfare, centralized planning, powerful government (well except Hamilton, but even he was a staunch capitalist). They believed in rugged individualism, a religious society, and private property. Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
I have. But it really isn't necessary. All one has to do is look at the society they helped to implement. If the guys who created that society were leftist, they really sucked at it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.