Who is the conservative?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The destruction of one party will mean the ultimate destruction of the other. They exist in a symbiotic relationship. One cannot long survive without the other.
I seem to remember you calling for the destruction of the Democrats in this very forum. We know you'd wet your pants if you had a one party system AND it was YOUR party.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
I seem to remember you calling for the destruction of the Democrats in this very forum. We know you'd wet your pants if you had a one party system AND it was YOUR party.
I do call for the destruction of the democrat party. However, it is obvious that the republicans are never going to fight for that. But there is no such thing as a one party political system unless the democrats become fully tyrannical (which is always a possibility). But the democrat party will implode otherwise into two camps. The leftists will again begin defining everything they disagree with as 'right wing' and the process will go on until all the 'centrist' get it through their thicks skulls what is really going on. There is no 'right wing' anywhere in the American political system. Never has been. Not me, not Palin, not Cheney, not you.... No one.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
left is total central government control (just for the hell of it, call it tryanny) and the farther right you go the less central government control you have.
Once upon a time we were talking about government control, period. That was back in the days before the Republicans wanted to replace the tyranny of Washington with the tyranny of Springfield. Used to be that the Republicans were interested in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Used to be.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
the electorate (which I referred to as ignorant) wants the central government to: buy them food, chew it, spit it down their throats then take a sh*t for them. simply disgusting.
Whereas Stan wants his friends and neighbors to do that for him. And tell him which church to attend.
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Oakman wrote:
Once upon a time we were talking about government control, period. That was back in the days before the Republicans wanted to replace the tyranny of Washington with the tyranny of Springfield. Used to be that the Republicans were interested in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Used to be.
No political party in the entire history of the US has ever been for unlimited 'personal freedom'. We have never been a libertarian society. Never.
Oakman wrote:
Whereas Stan wants his friends and neighbors to do that for him. And tell him which church to attend.
What was that you were saying about intellectual dishonesty?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
the shabby treatment he received from the Administration
I never really heard how or why he quit.
Oakman wrote:
self-serving creepazoid we have gotten in the habit of electing
I swear, if you have any interest in helping people or care in the least about preserving the republic there's no place for you at the DC trough. You have to go there as a crook with dollar signs in your eyes and find that you serve lobbies and the super rich bastards, (the kind that wall street titans hope to some day grow up to be). But then again, it's damn hard to find anybody with passing interest in helping others or the republic anyway. I'm not sure where the Rubicon is, but I'm positive we past it. What we need is a non corrupt government, and I don't know how you pull that off. But I'm pretty sure shooting lobbiests on site would be a step in the right direction. Lobbying = state sanctioned corruption.
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BoneSoft wrote:
What we need is a non corrupt government, and I don't know how you pull that off.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
t would be absolutely fascinating if you ever posted with something other than a snide remark. have a brain? use it.
I realized a long time ago that it was pointless debating the merits of Republican conservatism with the likes of you and Stan. However, you're the types who feel that no response is agreement and I'm just here to add a voice of disagreement. Post an intelligent interesting topic and you'll get intelligent responses from me.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
I realized a long time ago that it was pointless debating the merits of Republican conservatism with the likes of you and Stan. However, you're the types who feel that no response is agreement and I'm just here to add a voice of disagreement. Post an intelligent interesting topic and you'll get intelligent responses from me.
You have always been the type who thought getting a blow job in New Orleans was the most profound possible expression of englightenment principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why do you care about we conservatives? Why is it such a big deal to you?
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero. I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers. I reallt don't care about Rush very much except as the sine qua non of chicken hawks. You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side. This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
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Oakman wrote:
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero.
So was Benedict Arnold.
Oakman wrote:
I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers.
Compared to who?
Oakman wrote:
You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side.
I see. SO you come on here ranting about conservatives and I'm the one thinking in groups. yeah, right. Nice try sticking with the narrative, mensa boy.
Oakman wrote:
This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
No, it is absolutist principles that lead to fascism and communism. Such as 'radical individualism', for example.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
And yet you are the one who wants to force anyone who disagrees with you politically to live in gated communities.
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
That isn't what you said. You said that you would not accept any divergence from your political ideal, and that anyone who did not accept them should live in gated communities.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ilíon wrote:
So, if we turn into France-with-a-military we can overlook that little part about having turned into France?
That wasn't what I was talking about at all. You see, it is possible to defend Bush from attacks from knee-jerk liberals without espousing his rather simplistic philosophies of governemnt or claiming that his myriad mistakes were actually successes. Equally, it is possible to point out that Powell is far more conservative in his foreign policies than the other two gentlemen, and a million time more of a patriot than those cowards. By the way, what did you say you did in the war? Shovel shit in Louisianna, perhaps?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Pure paranoia.
ROFL. I've taught you a new word.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I've taught you a new word.
You've certainly helped me understand what it means.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Founding Fathers were radical leftists.
No they weren't. Not even close. To a man, they were as far in the other direction as they possibly could have been. There were all against welfare, centralized planning, powerful government (well except Hamilton, but even he was a staunch capitalist). They believed in rugged individualism, a religious society, and private property. Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Every shred of evidence we have proves that.
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
I have. But it really isn't necessary. All one has to do is look at the society they helped to implement. If the guys who created that society were leftist, they really sucked at it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Sorry, Mike, but many of the Founding Fathers were radical leftists.
sure Jon, that is the very reason for the 10th amendment, right?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
sure Jon, that is the very reason for the 10th amendment, right?
Exactly. Sometimes, some folks forgets that the 10th amendment reserved powers to the people as well as to the states - a very left-wing idea at the time. The concept that the power is to the people and not to the governments will always be radical, as far as any government is concerned.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
Only because most of them don't know how to talk. They end up mouthing phrases like "kiddies," and "intellectually dishonest;" it's always hard having a discussion with someone like that.
Maybe, but we can understand 'our way or the highway' about as well as anyone. The one huge advantage we have over everyone else is that our principles work. We have no need to go anywhere.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
we can understand 'our way or the highway'
Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
Once upon a time we were talking about government control, period. That was back in the days before the Republicans wanted to replace the tyranny of Washington with the tyranny of Springfield. Used to be that the Republicans were interested in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Used to be.
No political party in the entire history of the US has ever been for unlimited 'personal freedom'. We have never been a libertarian society. Never.
Oakman wrote:
Whereas Stan wants his friends and neighbors to do that for him. And tell him which church to attend.
What was that you were saying about intellectual dishonesty?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No political party in the entire history of the US has ever been for unlimited 'personal freedom'
I think the concept of freedom scares you. And personal responsibility scares you even more. I never suggested that the Republican Party was for unlimited personal freedom, or total personal responsibility, but for most of the last century, it was for a much greater amount of both than the Dems.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What was that you were saying about intellectual dishonesty?
You have made it quite clear that you favor a very strong government with power over every activity its citizens might wish to engage in. The only difference between you and Osama is the name of your God. You engage in all sorts of doublethink to convince yourself that isn't true, but to most of us, its quite obvious.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
sure Jon, that is the very reason for the 10th amendment, right?
Exactly. Sometimes, some folks forgets that the 10th amendment reserved powers to the people as well as to the states - a very left-wing idea at the time. The concept that the power is to the people and not to the governments will always be radical, as far as any government is concerned.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
reserved powers to the people
As a collective, not as individuals.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
we can understand 'our way or the highway'
Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.
And why not? This entire thread has been about you saying that to us...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.
I have. But it really isn't necessary. All one has to do is look at the society they helped to implement. If the guys who created that society were leftist, they really sucked at it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But it really isn't necessary.
I knew you'd say that shortly after claiming every shred of evidence we have supports your position. That, Stan, is intellectual dishonesty. Let me know what you think, once you have done a fair amount of reading. Try Thom Paine for starters - then Aaron Burr.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
I care about Powell because he is a genuine hero.
So was Benedict Arnold.
Oakman wrote:
I care about Cheney because he contributed to the detahs of a lot of good soldiers.
Compared to who?
Oakman wrote:
You seem to always think in terms of groups, Stan. Criticise one conservative and one is trashing the entire philosophy; praise one liberal and one has gone over to the dark side.
I see. SO you come on here ranting about conservatives and I'm the one thinking in groups. yeah, right. Nice try sticking with the narrative, mensa boy.
Oakman wrote:
This kind of colletivist thinking is what leads to fascism and communism.
No, it is absolutist principles that lead to fascism and communism. Such as 'radical individualism', for example.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
So was Benedict Arnold
More so than you, certainly, REMF.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Compared to who?
Compared to the Army Chief of Staff who was made a pariah and forced to retire because he dared to say publically that we needed more men and money if we were going to invade.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
I find it strange that telling people they may do something if they choose to, is totally outside of your comprehension. Was your childhood so regimented that there were no choices, only rules you were forced to obey?
That isn't what you said. You said that you would not accept any divergence from your political ideal, and that anyone who did not accept them should live in gated communities.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That isn't what you said. You said that you would not accept any divergence from your political ideal, and that anyone who did not accept them should live in gated communities.
That is a flat out pathetic lie.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.
And why not? This entire thread has been about you saying that to us...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
This entire thread has been about you saying that to us...
Not once did I say that Cheney wasn't a Republican or shouldn't be a Republican. I can't decide whether you have a comprehension problem, simply don't read but every other sentence in the posts of mine you respond to, or are so drunk you are just making it up as you go along.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin