Who is the conservative?

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Every shred of evidence we have proves that.

You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.

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Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

You really need to start reading some of what the Founding Fathers wrote.

I have. But it really isn't necessary. All one has to do is look at the society they helped to implement. If the guys who created that society were leftist, they really sucked at it.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

sure Jon, that is the very reason for the 10th amendment, right?

Exactly. Sometimes, some folks forgets that the 10th amendment reserved powers to the people as well as to the states - a very left-wing idea at the time. The concept that the power is to the people and not to the governments will always be radical, as far as any government is concerned.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

we can understand 'our way or the highway'

Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

No political party in the entire history of the US has ever been for unlimited 'personal freedom'

I think the concept of freedom scares you. And personal responsibility scares you even more. I never suggested that the Republican Party was for unlimited personal freedom, or total personal responsibility, but for most of the last century, it was for a much greater amount of both than the Dems.

Stan Shannon wrote:

What was that you were saying about intellectual dishonesty?

You have made it quite clear that you favor a very strong government with power over every activity its citizens might wish to engage in. The only difference between you and Osama is the name of your God. You engage in all sorts of doublethink to convince yourself that isn't true, but to most of us, its quite obvious.

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Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

reserved powers to the people

As a collective, not as individuals.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Which is probably why you-all keep saying to everyone who disagrees with you.

And why not? This entire thread has been about you saying that to us...

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

But it really isn't necessary.

I knew you'd say that shortly after claiming every shred of evidence we have supports your position. That, Stan, is intellectual dishonesty. Let me know what you think, once you have done a fair amount of reading. Try Thom Paine for starters - then Aaron Burr.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

So was Benedict Arnold

More so than you, certainly, REMF.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Compared to who?

Compared to the Army Chief of Staff who was made a pariah and forced to retire because he dared to say publically that we needed more men and money if we were going to invade.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

That isn't what you said. You said that you would not accept any divergence from your political ideal, and that anyone who did not accept them should live in gated communities.

That is a flat out pathetic lie.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

This entire thread has been about you saying that to us...

Not once did I say that Cheney wasn't a Republican or shouldn't be a Republican. I can't decide whether you have a comprehension problem, simply don't read but every other sentence in the posts of mine you respond to, or are so drunk you are just making it up as you go along.

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Oakman

By the way, what did you say you did in the war? Shovel sh*t in Louisianna, perhaps?

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Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

That is a flat out pathetic lie.

Not at all. I think the problem is that you simply fail to comprehend what you are saying.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Not once did I say that Cheney wasn't a Republican or shouldn't be a Republican.

No, but you are completely mischaracterizing events so that you can make an argument about why conservatives should all support your 'centrist' political postion. Which is as far from being centrist as Obama's is. We conservatives are the centrists. Always have been, always will be. There is nothing even remotely extremist about anything we support.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Tim Craig

Stan Shannon wrote:

You have always been the type who thought getting a blow job in New Orleans was the most profound possible expression of englightenment principles.

Well, I know you're too uptight to know that it was merely a drink just as Sex on the Beach and Screaming Orgasm are. If fact, you're just plain uptight and begrudge anyone doing something you're afraid you might enjoy.

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Tim Craig

Stan Shannon wrote:

There is no 'right wing' anywhere in the American political system. Never has been. Not me, not Palin, not Cheney, not you.... No one.

Well, you're right. Right now you're by your own definition Unamerican. And if Cheney and Palin are right wing, I wouldn't want to even contemplate what is.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

As a collective, not as individuals.

Stop interpreting the Constitution, You're as bad as the Supreme Court in the way you make things up. If Madison had wanted to say "The people as a collective entity," then that's what he would have said.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

I think the problem is that you simply fail to comprehend what you are saying.

Troy thinks he's a better writer than Robert Bloch; you think you understand what I say better than I do, even though I'm smarter, better read, more widely traveled, and more reflective than you. (I'm also better-looking, but that's not important in this context. :laugh: ) Just because the two of you are considered examples of intelligentsia in the boondocks, doesn't mean either of you can compete nationally. For starters, the two of you need to learn to spell.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

you are completely mischaracterizing events so that you can make an argument about why conservatives should all support your 'centrist' political postion.

Along with your inability to grasp the idea that someone should have the right to live they want to as long as they do no harm to others; you simply can't understand the concept of accepting other points of view as having some validity at least for those who hold them, can you?

Stan Shannon wrote:

We conservatives are the centrists.

1. You are not a conservative; you are a reactionary dreaming fondly of a world that hasn't existed since the 19th century. 2. A conservative is not a centrist, any more than a liberal is. It may be hard for you to grasp this, too, but there really are other political points of view besides wanting to live in log cabins and wanting to live in communes.

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Oakman

My mother, a transplanted Carolinian, was one of two people in Massachusetts who voted for Strom Thurmond in 1948. (She, personally, wasn't in the news, only the fact that two people in the state cast dixiecrat votes.)

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