My Question on Adoption... [modified]
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
While it's slowly crumbling in favour of the Western model of nuclear families, I have to say I strongly prefer the Indian way.
I couldn't agree more. I prefer the Indian way too. I don't want to be old and lonely. My grandfather died all by himself in his house 60 miles away. He fell and hit his head. Nobody knows how long it took for him to die. I think that is awful. My wife and I want to keep buying a bigger and bigger house because we really think that young American's take on way too much out of school. It's a massive burden to buy a home, start a family and all that. If we had a large enough home for our kids to have their young families in it'd be incredible. That's our dream. So maybe someday you'll come to my house and you'll catch us all sitting on mats and eating curry thoroughly enjoying each other in company. Once our youngest is 17 is when we are thinking about adding on to our current family.
code-frog wrote:
My grandfather died all by himself in his house 60 miles away. He fell and hit his head. Nobody knows how long it took for him to die.
That is awful and I am very sorry to hear that.
code-frog wrote:
So maybe someday you'll come to my house and you'll catch us all sitting on mats and eating curry thoroughly enjoying each other in company.
:-D I don't think my current employer has dev centres in Idaho, but hey, I'd love to do that!
Cheers, Vikram.
Current activities: Films: The classic Pink Panther series TV series: Friends, season 3 Books: Liar's Poker, by Michael Lewis.
Carpe Diem.
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
code-frog wrote:
$30,000
... is pennies compared to what you will eventually end up spending on the kid in the long term. I will not necessarily consider agencies immoral unless they are in the adoption business for profit making. Anyway, adoption is extremely sensitive and a complex moral issue. To me the safest adoption is one where you know the kid or if the kid is related to you in some fashion. Your post makes all good points though.
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I should add that if you want to adopt a 17-year-old, I have one. So you know, he thinks everything is stupid, wears his hair past his shoulders and wants a car. :)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I think what matters here is... did his father feel/dress and act in similar ways as a 17 year old? If so then you've probably got a keeper there and time will trim off those edges. If not there's always rope and duct tape. As long as there are no marks and you keep him fed through a straw the police really don't care all that much. It's one less driver they have to worry about. :laugh:
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Yeah if you read my reply to Ennis you'll see that I begin to shed light on that situation where it may not be so great for the biological ones. It puts tremendous stress on everyone trying to have a blended family where one or more of the kids don't have the confidence of knowing they are with people who loved them from day one. Down the road however, when our kids are gone. We could bring 3 new kids in all at once and really do something neat.:rose: The Indian and African kids cost the most. You know that most likely alcohol and drugs were not involved. The basic assumption (true or untrue) is that parents of kids from Africa/India do not have the money in most cases for food much less drugs or alcohol. So the farther away from the U.S. the children are the higher that number goes above $20,000.
code-frog wrote:
The Indian and African kids cost the most. You know that most likely alcohol and drugs were not involved. The basic assumption (true or untrue) is that parents of kids from Africa/India do not have the money in most cases for food much less drugs or alcohol. So the farther away from the U.S. the children are the higher that number goes above $20,000.
My own thought is that this cost reflects a set of large payments to the government (or specific officals of the government) of the country of origin, as well as a nice dollop for the adoption agency. I acquired two minimally disabled children by marriage. My stepdaughter is going to college next year (against all the predictions of her guidance counselors in junior high) but I do worry that she will be hammered there, and my stepson scares me as to his viability in the world (his uncle lived with the grandparents all his life, a situation I reject for this kid and will do everything in my power to avoid - I want my stepson to have an adulthood, in all its glory and horror). Good luck to you. :)
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code-frog wrote:
My grandfather died all by himself in his house 60 miles away. He fell and hit his head. Nobody knows how long it took for him to die.
That is awful and I am very sorry to hear that.
code-frog wrote:
So maybe someday you'll come to my house and you'll catch us all sitting on mats and eating curry thoroughly enjoying each other in company.
:-D I don't think my current employer has dev centres in Idaho, but hey, I'd love to do that!
Cheers, Vikram.
Current activities: Films: The classic Pink Panther series TV series: Friends, season 3 Books: Liar's Poker, by Michael Lewis.
Carpe Diem.
Somehow, someday, some way wouldn't it be fun? If the world and traveling it can get a bit easier... It be so cool. "Vikram, when get off work hop on the air taxi and be here in time for dinner. You can still be back home (in your country) by 10:00PM and we can have a great time." I do look to the day when travel around the world takes minutes not hours and I believe we will see that day come. I hope anyway. When it does we'll keep a place at the table for you for sure.
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code-frog wrote:
The Indian and African kids cost the most. You know that most likely alcohol and drugs were not involved. The basic assumption (true or untrue) is that parents of kids from Africa/India do not have the money in most cases for food much less drugs or alcohol. So the farther away from the U.S. the children are the higher that number goes above $20,000.
My own thought is that this cost reflects a set of large payments to the government (or specific officals of the government) of the country of origin, as well as a nice dollop for the adoption agency. I acquired two minimally disabled children by marriage. My stepdaughter is going to college next year (against all the predictions of her guidance counselors in junior high) but I do worry that she will be hammered there, and my stepson scares me as to his viability in the world (his uncle lived with the grandparents all his life, a situation I reject for this kid and will do everything in my power to avoid - I want my stepson to have an adulthood, in all its glory and horror). Good luck to you. :)
Thank you! I appreciate your comments in many ways. Very inspiring actually.
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
Mr. Frog, You might look into Open Adoption, in which you are chosen by the birthmother to be the parent of her child. My wife and I did this 16 years ago using an originazation called The Independent Adoption Agency (they are based in the San Francisco Bay Area but have offices in most major cities). The process is failrly simple but you and your partner must be willing to open yourselves up. It works like this: you and your partner write a 'Birthmother' letter (kinda of like a parental resume) in which you explain who you are, why you want to adopt, etc. These go into a book. The propective birthmothers go though an intake process and are shown letters from the book that the organization feels might be a good match. After that, it's up to the birthmother and you. Between all of you, you set the rules. No contact at all, some, lots, it's whatever you work out. We met our adopted son's birthmother while she was still carrying him and adopted him right out of her womb (so to speak). Our son, now 16, has known of his 'status' from the very beginning and he's fine with it. We see his birth-grandmother most holidays (sadly, his birthmother passed away when he was 12). It all seems to have worked out quite well for us; of course, your mileage may vary... Good luck to you!
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I think what matters here is... did his father feel/dress and act in similar ways as a 17 year old? If so then you've probably got a keeper there and time will trim off those edges. If not there's always rope and duct tape. As long as there are no marks and you keep him fed through a straw the police really don't care all that much. It's one less driver they have to worry about. :laugh:
code-frog wrote:
did his father feel/dress and act in similar ways as a 17 year old?
Actually not, neither did his mother. I was very mild as a teenager; like my youngest (14) only not as sensitive.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
code-frog wrote:
I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge.
4 voters out of 20,000 online and 6 million plus members. Sounds to me more like nobody gives a toss. Why get worked up over a couple of votes?
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
While it's slowly crumbling in favour of the Western model of nuclear families, I have to say I strongly prefer the Indian way.
I couldn't agree more. I prefer the Indian way too. I don't want to be old and lonely. My grandfather died all by himself in his house 60 miles away. He fell and hit his head. Nobody knows how long it took for him to die. I think that is awful. My wife and I want to keep buying a bigger and bigger house because we really think that young American's take on way too much out of school. It's a massive burden to buy a home, start a family and all that. If we had a large enough home for our kids to have their young families in it'd be incredible. That's our dream. So maybe someday you'll come to my house and you'll catch us all sitting on mats and eating curry thoroughly enjoying each other in company. Once our youngest is 17 is when we are thinking about adding on to our current family.
code-frog wrote:
I don't want to be old and lonely
I didn't want to see that for my parents, so I talked my father into coming to live with us. We built a new home with an apartment for him. He could be as independent as he wanted and around my family as much as he wanted. He died in my brother's home. My mother finally came to live with us just 6 weeks before she died, about 3 years after my stepfather died. I hope my children can do the same when I or my wife survives the other. :^)
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code-frog wrote:
I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge.
4 voters out of 20,000 online and 6 million plus members. Sounds to me more like nobody gives a toss. Why get worked up over a couple of votes?
I suppose we could all quit caring and just let the world go. However I felt I was misunderstood and rather than foster the idea I hoped adding some more information might improve that misunderstanding.
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
I was never able to find your original post, so I am replying only from reading this post only. Adoption is dear to me. We got our first three at once - just couldn't bring ourselves to split up a sibling group. We got their sister two years later - Mom just couldn't get her act together. This was 10 years ago. Just last year we added another 2 year old. All went through the "system". Yes drugs/alcohol were "likely" (read certainly) involved. So what? Unadopted kids have problems too. Unadopted kids are raised by bad parents who probably should have given them up for adoption. Unadopted kids give their parents headaches and nightmares as well. Unadopted kids need medication and fail grades as well. I know you have a child that is not exactly "perfect". Would you really feel any different about her if you had adopted her? The issue I see is that the prospective adoptive parents are often too "picky". That is why companies can charge "$30,000". They know american parents want something quick and easy and a child that is going to be a "high-achiever". I really think your informant about American adoptions gave you bad advice. He is probably talking about the children who are available RIGHT NOW - no waiting. The worst thing about going through the system is you have about a year of no privacy (from Uncle Sam). The most interesting thing I learned about the adoption process is that getting upset at the agencies is one of the stages of grief - It happens to everyone who wants to adopt. By the way we were helped about by LDS Family Services as well.
Brent
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I suppose we could all quit caring and just let the world go. However I felt I was misunderstood and rather than foster the idea I hoped adding some more information might improve that misunderstanding.
It's just a couple of cyber votes is all I'm sayin' If you're going to make it through the adoption process you're going to need to thicken the skin a bit. I wish you the best in the matter. There are some good points made in this thread. I think you need to rethink your point #4 -- a few others have commented on this so I won't rehash. I'd also follow the money regarding the advice you are getting. I've been involved in a couple of adoptions and they were nothing like you are describing. Lots of waiting, disapointment, scrutiny, and more waiting, but all worked out well in the end (after years of effort).
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It's just a couple of cyber votes is all I'm sayin' If you're going to make it through the adoption process you're going to need to thicken the skin a bit. I wish you the best in the matter. There are some good points made in this thread. I think you need to rethink your point #4 -- a few others have commented on this so I won't rehash. I'd also follow the money regarding the advice you are getting. I've been involved in a couple of adoptions and they were nothing like you are describing. Lots of waiting, disapointment, scrutiny, and more waiting, but all worked out well in the end (after years of effort).
OH! Those are not my points. That's what we were told by this guy who called us. Not my points at all. :)
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I was never able to find your original post, so I am replying only from reading this post only. Adoption is dear to me. We got our first three at once - just couldn't bring ourselves to split up a sibling group. We got their sister two years later - Mom just couldn't get her act together. This was 10 years ago. Just last year we added another 2 year old. All went through the "system". Yes drugs/alcohol were "likely" (read certainly) involved. So what? Unadopted kids have problems too. Unadopted kids are raised by bad parents who probably should have given them up for adoption. Unadopted kids give their parents headaches and nightmares as well. Unadopted kids need medication and fail grades as well. I know you have a child that is not exactly "perfect". Would you really feel any different about her if you had adopted her? The issue I see is that the prospective adoptive parents are often too "picky". That is why companies can charge "$30,000". They know american parents want something quick and easy and a child that is going to be a "high-achiever". I really think your informant about American adoptions gave you bad advice. He is probably talking about the children who are available RIGHT NOW - no waiting. The worst thing about going through the system is you have about a year of no privacy (from Uncle Sam). The most interesting thing I learned about the adoption process is that getting upset at the agencies is one of the stages of grief - It happens to everyone who wants to adopt. By the way we were helped about by LDS Family Services as well.
Brent
dbrenth wrote:
I know you have a child that is not exactly "perfect". Would you really feel any different about her if you had adopted her?
No. I wouldn't. Somehow people keep thinking this is what I mean but it isn't so I worded something poorly somewhere...:doh:
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
code-frog wrote:
My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid...
Agreed, but there are other ways of doing this that are way less expensive and even free.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
While it's slowly crumbling in favour of the Western model of nuclear families, I have to say I strongly prefer the Indian way.
I couldn't agree more. I prefer the Indian way too. I don't want to be old and lonely. My grandfather died all by himself in his house 60 miles away. He fell and hit his head. Nobody knows how long it took for him to die. I think that is awful. My wife and I want to keep buying a bigger and bigger house because we really think that young American's take on way too much out of school. It's a massive burden to buy a home, start a family and all that. If we had a large enough home for our kids to have their young families in it'd be incredible. That's our dream. So maybe someday you'll come to my house and you'll catch us all sitting on mats and eating curry thoroughly enjoying each other in company. Once our youngest is 17 is when we are thinking about adding on to our current family.
My family has talked about doing something similar at least with the large house all together. Unfortunately we've not been able to get jobs in the same city and most of us aren't even in the same state. If nothing else we can all retire out on the family farm. After I graduated college I ended up living with my parents for about two years. At first it was to pay off college debt (my parents couldn't help as I was the fourth kid) and save up a bit, but afterward it was to help my parents out when my dad lost his job.
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After talking with a lady here in Idaho who it turns out has helped get over 300+ kids both U.S. and foreign placed we have realized that we simply cannot do it. I want to speak to the votes I got. 2.5 average after 4 votes. This proves that the ... honestly the vote proves what it proves about people at the lounge. My reasons for asking here in the first place were: THESE ARE NOT MY POINTS. THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. 1. Adoption through agencies is not done for the benefit of the child. People are making tons of money off of it. It's immoral and even criminal. My wife and I were both opposed to going through an agency that feels it's necessary to charge $30,000 per kid because that's going to encourage abuse and criminalization in order to make that kind of money. 2. Using agencies kids are priced according to skin color, age, etc... The closer to white you are the more money it costs to get you. If you have a physical or mental disability the less money it costs. This should be illegal. To make kids feel that way is awful. We were hoping to get at least one hearing impaired child because as we understand it these are bottom barrel kids and we wanted to help. 3. Agencies lie on a regular basis about the child's history in order to get the child placed. 4. In America largely speaking the kids you get come from extreme abuse where drugs/alcohol were likely involved. So American adoption was out because of some extremely good reasons. In fact we were told to not adopt American kids at all until all of our kids were grown and out of the house. What I find amazing is that people trying to do something good for other people would pull such low votes. For those of you that did vote make sure you go home and thank God for the fact you know who your parents really are. Neither my wife or her brother have that luxury. After having had long talks with both of them I'm glad I know who both my parents are. I also am proud of myself that I did want to try and make a difference. In the face of today's corruption though... adoption is not feasible for us. Not yet anyway... Thanks for the low votes. It didn't bother me really but it should bother those of you who threw them. That's why I bring it up. Enjoy your well ordered lives and continue with your behavior. I wish I could talk to you in 20 years and hear how your views might have changed by your experiences. At least I never have to wonder if I was doing the right thing.:rose:
damn fine post there sunshine it seems there is merit in taking your experience / opinions and writing a fully fledged article for the newspapers/magazines so expose more of this to the general public Bryce
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