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  • L Luc Pattyn

    Hi, I use different computers, different monitor widths, and I hate scrolling horizontally all the time, so I prefer not to exceed some 90 characters on a line; I use 4-space tabs and told Visual to show guide lines by adding a registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\VCSExpress\9.0\Text Editor (adjust as required) Add a string called “Guides”, set its value to RGB(255,0,0) 80,96 BTW: my printing code will take care of lines that exceed the page width. FWIW: I don't want wide code snippets when composing a message here! :)

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    Luc Pattyn wrote:

    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\VCSExpress\9.0\Text Editor (adjust as required) Add a string called “Guides”, set its value to RGB(255,0,0) 80,96

    I like it. :-D

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      You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

      Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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      I actually try and keep my lines to around 130 lines. I find that any longer than that, it becomes very difficult to select text with the mouse. By default, virtual space isn't selectable in visual studio, so when trying to mark a solitary long line that extends off the right of the screen, it becomes quite challenging as the scroll bar keeps snapping to the left when you go up a few too many pixels.

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        You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

        Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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        Hans Dietrich
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        Not something I usually have to think about. My client says, No wider than 90 characters, or something like that, and that's what I do.

        Best wishes, Hans


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          You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

          Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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          Ravi Bhavnani
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          I line break at about 100 chars because I almost always view 2 source pages side by side. Like you, I run at 1920x1200 at work and home, desktop (24") and laptop (17"). /ravi

          My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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            charlieg wrote:

            I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark.

            Youngster! I wrote my first program in 1967 (remember punch cards? ), so I'm working on my 5th decade. I usually try to keep my code on a normal screen or page, so I keep it around 80 characters wide, but sometimes I violate that guideline.

            CQ de W5ALT

            Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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            I salute you sir! And, yes, I have used punch cards.

            Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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            • R Ravi Bhavnani

              I line break at about 100 chars because I almost always view 2 source pages side by side. Like you, I run at 1920x1200 at work and home, desktop (24") and laptop (17"). /ravi

              My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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              the reason I have 1920x1200 is to be able to view code side by side, so your point is a good one.

              Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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              • L Luc Pattyn

                Hi, I use different computers, different monitor widths, and I hate scrolling horizontally all the time, so I prefer not to exceed some 90 characters on a line; I use 4-space tabs and told Visual to show guide lines by adding a registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\VCSExpress\9.0\Text Editor (adjust as required) Add a string called “Guides”, set its value to RGB(255,0,0) 80,96 BTW: my printing code will take care of lines that exceed the page width. FWIW: I don't want wide code snippets when composing a message here! :)

                Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]


                The quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get. Show formatted code inside PRE tags, and give clear symptoms when describing a problem.


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                Another useful registry hack is: Under the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\VisualStudio\9.0 key, you can create a DWORD UseMRUDocOrdering = 1. What this does is, when you select a tab in the editor, that tab moves to be the leftmost tab. This obviously keeps the most recently used files/designers visible in the editor. Only the least used fall off the end. Works in VS2008, VS2005 and their express versions. I like it, anyway.

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                  You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

                  Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                  91 characters

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                    It's not as frequent as typeface "discussions". Survey from last June[^] in case you're interested.

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                    charlieg
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                    or, "What source control system do you use?" ;P Next comes - what font do you type in? :))

                    Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                      91 characters

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      charlieg
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                      haha - rebel. Seriously, why 91?

                      Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                      • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                        charlieg wrote:

                        I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark.

                        Youngster! I wrote my first program in 1967 (remember punch cards? ), so I'm working on my 5th decade. I usually try to keep my code on a normal screen or page, so I keep it around 80 characters wide, but sometimes I violate that guideline.

                        CQ de W5ALT

                        Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                        Lost User
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                        Punched Cards? You were lucky! I wrote my first by entering the binary to represent each instruction, and pressing the 'big red button' to enter it. I linged for the luxury of punched cards :)

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                          Punched Cards? You were lucky! I wrote my first by entering the binary to represent each instruction, and pressing the 'big red button' to enter it. I linged for the luxury of punched cards :)

                          ___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                          Dr Walt Fair PE
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                          Done that, too. That was how we got the boot loader going so it could read the punch cards.

                          CQ de W5ALT

                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                            haha - rebel. Seriously, why 91?

                            Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                            Luc Pattyn
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                            42 isn't really comfortable?

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                              You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

                              Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                              Roger Wright
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                              Printing is no issue to me; I've got a 24" HP plotter, so any page up to 150' wide is no trouble. ;P My screen is somewhat more limited, however.

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                                charlieg wrote:

                                I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark.

                                Youngster! I wrote my first program in 1967 (remember punch cards? ), so I'm working on my 5th decade. I usually try to keep my code on a normal screen or page, so I keep it around 80 characters wide, but sometimes I violate that guideline.

                                CQ de W5ALT

                                Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                Estherino
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                                also *salutes* As a young'un, I have always wanted to try punch cards! There's something compelling about an analogue system I can feel with my hands, having now gone through uni without even leaning machine code or anything similarly fundamental, and binary was always just theory and maths - never actually used in practice etc. I know it's simply a nostalgia/novelty thing (and worth being on the receiving end of a bit of a chuckle from 'those who know') but I have read so many books on computing over the years and it would be great to have a taste of the frustration and history! Is there anywhere in Australia, (or the world?) where you can use a punch-card system? Any working computer museums out there to let us know how good we've got it now? Cheers, Estherino

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                                  You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

                                  Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                                  Word wrap. Returns are for wimps.

                                  Todd Smith

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                                  • G Gary R Wheeler

                                    Crap, I have identifiers longer than 80 characters in some of my code.

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                                    blackjack2150
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                                    Me too. Though, they are in xsd.exe auto-generated code files, based on xml schema files. A pain when I need to use those in my client code...

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                                      You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

                                      Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                                      MatrixDud
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                                      I try not to use ridiculously long variable names. Function calls (or SQL statements) that take 20 parameters I normally break after each one. It's not that I want to keep my lines at 80 characters, its because I want the next guy to be able to read it without cursing under their breath. It looks neater anyway.

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                                        You young'uns ar spoiled by modern technology. I'm one of those old geezers still writing code, dangerously close to the 3 decade mark. I think John Simmons is older than me. He's angrier, i'm more dangerous ;) So, I'm contemplating a couple of s/w issues and one of those is - when to hit the return key? As I type this, I have to my left a 1920x1200 monitor connected to my 1920x1200 laptop. It seems to me a little silly to worry about any developer who might not have the same h/w rsources. To arbitrarily linebreak at 80, 132, or whatever seems a bit silly. Printing? Muahahahaaha.. come on. Thoughts?

                                        Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

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                                        charlieg wrote:

                                        1920x1200 monitor

                                        On that res, I like to have 2 editor windows, side-by-side. So probably around a 100?

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                                        • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                          Done that, too. That was how we got the boot loader going so it could read the punch cards.

                                          CQ de W5ALT

                                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                          I'm an 80 column "puncher" as well. I pretty sure the world would come to an end if I typed past column 80. For those that did not have the pleasure of using punch cards, you have to also understad that the keypunch machines rarely had a working ribbon in them so to insert new cards (or, heavan forbid you dropped the deck) you had to identify them by reading the semi-braille dents across the top or otherwise make sense of the pattern of punched out holes. Now for the bit switchers, here's[^] a nice video going though an Altair 8800 bootstrap to bring back a memory or two. Now that was an IDE. Deposit,

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