Stunning!
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Oakman wrote:
why is it different when he does it?
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily. ;)
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BoneSoft wrote:
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it,
Boney, he made the right decision. You can speculate and impugn his motives all you want, but it comes down to he made the right decision. Ultimately, I don't care why he did something or how machiavellian some folks think he's being. When he makes the right decisions (imho) I'm glad; when he doesn't, I'm pissed. Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
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OK, politicians will be politicians. I can agree with that. But I don't think we should ever accept it. I guess it's elicited such a response partly because some of us want to see the bobble-headed doe-eyed masses finally catch a glimpse of reality, which can't happen when he so smoothly tip toes around his phukups (un-Peloci-esquely). And partly because some of us genuinely see some spark of nefarious intent in the man, not just another democrat in office for 4 more years of forever indestructible socialist entitlements to be a drain on all future generation. Maybe it's irrational, maybe not, but there it is.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily. ;)
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Oakman wrote:
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily.
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I hope this isn't a repost, I haven't been hanging around too much lately. But I totally missed it until somebody sent it to me... Uhbama's "sustained detention"[^] Now, the fact that he would propose such a thing isn't stunning in the least. Frightening, but not stunning. However, the fact that Rachel Madcow would call him on it, truly is stunning. Coming from the most flamingly liberal pinko commie Bush-bashing media whore ever to tow the party line, this is serious. It's now obvious that our government isn't even a shell of what it once was any more. It's too big, self important, and free to do as it pleases with no regard for the people. We need to figure out what all derailed it, scrap it completely, and start over clean again.
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That is quite chilling. It reminds me of when the, now very old, National Party government implemented detention without trial for dissidents during my high school years.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I couldn't be sure you realized that.
Because you don't listen with an open mind. I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
oilFactotum wrote:
But you did apply your unrealistic sterotype to Maddow.
What stereotype?!? There is no stereotype. I've seen the bitch. I simply stated HOW SHE IS!!! Come on oily, be a man. Just once you can say it. Can't you? Once? You were ... Starts with a "w", ends with a "rong"?
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oilFactotum wrote:
BoneSoft wrote: Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals? No.
BoneSoft wrote:
I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
Clearly, the person who is not listening is you. :rolleyes:
BoneSoft wrote:
What stereotype?!?
BoneSoft wrote:
this is world shattering. This is like Hitler bitching about Iran's treatment of the Jews, or Chavez calling Castro a pinko commie blood soaked prick. Hell hath frozen over. ...Maddow to be the very last holdout ... And maybe Putin, since Lenin's gone
Let's see Maddow ... Hilter ... Chavez ... Castro ... Putin ... Lenin. All extremely unrealistic. X|
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Oakman wrote:
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily.
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
Well, at least we make sense to each other some of the time, right?
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OK, politicians will be politicians. I can agree with that. But I don't think we should ever accept it. I guess it's elicited such a response partly because some of us want to see the bobble-headed doe-eyed masses finally catch a glimpse of reality, which can't happen when he so smoothly tip toes around his phukups (un-Peloci-esquely). And partly because some of us genuinely see some spark of nefarious intent in the man, not just another democrat in office for 4 more years of forever indestructible socialist entitlements to be a drain on all future generation. Maybe it's irrational, maybe not, but there it is.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I guess it's elicited such a response partly because some of us want to see the bobble-headed doe-eyed masses finally catch a glimpse of reality,
Ain't gonna happen. It didn't happen with Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or Carter, or. . . .
BoneSoft wrote:
And partly because some of us genuinely see some spark of nefarious intent in the man
I think he's smarter than anyone who has held the office in quite some time. And less passionate. That's a scary combination. But no one, including Hitler or Ghenghiz Khan or Ming the Merciless, ever took office in order to do bad things. They all had good intentions and noble goals. . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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oilFactotum wrote:
BoneSoft wrote: Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals? No.
BoneSoft wrote:
I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
Clearly, the person who is not listening is you. :rolleyes:
BoneSoft wrote:
What stereotype?!?
BoneSoft wrote:
this is world shattering. This is like Hitler bitching about Iran's treatment of the Jews, or Chavez calling Castro a pinko commie blood soaked prick. Hell hath frozen over. ...Maddow to be the very last holdout ... And maybe Putin, since Lenin's gone
Let's see Maddow ... Hilter ... Chavez ... Castro ... Putin ... Lenin. All extremely unrealistic. X|
oilFactotum wrote:
Clearly, the person who is not listening is you.
Pontificating moron. I tire of this Iliot style crap. What's next, your own brand of punctuation?
oilFactotum wrote:
Let's see Maddow ... Hilter ... Chavez ... Castro ... Putin ... Lenin. All extremely unrealistic.
Such is the world of colorful analogies. Deal with it, or don't, who cares. But if you insist on quoting me, get it right, I never type Madcow's name with two "d"s.
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That's the point! I don't know what she is now. This was stunning, I believe I mentioned. If Obama had all non-dems in congress taken outside and immediately shot Saddam style, I would have expected her of all people to defend him. I'm trying to determine what she is. Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's wrong, but I don't know what she is.
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She's a liberal. Obama is not. It's not rocket science.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I guess it's elicited such a response partly because some of us want to see the bobble-headed doe-eyed masses finally catch a glimpse of reality,
Ain't gonna happen. It didn't happen with Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or Carter, or. . . .
BoneSoft wrote:
And partly because some of us genuinely see some spark of nefarious intent in the man
I think he's smarter than anyone who has held the office in quite some time. And less passionate. That's a scary combination. But no one, including Hitler or Ghenghiz Khan or Ming the Merciless, ever took office in order to do bad things. They all had good intentions and noble goals. . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Those who actually attain high positions only get there through the kind of convictions only possible with true belief? I'll buy that. But doing what you think is right does not necessarily equate to good intentions and noble goals. I mean, I don't believe it was Hitlers goal when he entered office, but you could even argue that cleansing the world of the 'dirty Jews' seemed like a noble goal to him. In that respect I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)). One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
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I hope this isn't a repost, I haven't been hanging around too much lately. But I totally missed it until somebody sent it to me... Uhbama's "sustained detention"[^] Now, the fact that he would propose such a thing isn't stunning in the least. Frightening, but not stunning. However, the fact that Rachel Madcow would call him on it, truly is stunning. Coming from the most flamingly liberal pinko commie Bush-bashing media whore ever to tow the party line, this is serious. It's now obvious that our government isn't even a shell of what it once was any more. It's too big, self important, and free to do as it pleases with no regard for the people. We need to figure out what all derailed it, scrap it completely, and start over clean again.
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Adds new meaning to the term "big O cost". Code with a large enough big O value can detain a program indefinitely.
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Oakman wrote:
Suggesting that he would violate the Bill of Rights by denying citizens to a far and speedy trial is the stuff of psychotic paranoid nightmares.
I dunno, it doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. He would be perfectly happy violating the Bill or Rights by denying citizens the right to bare arms if the opportunity presented itself. He's more than happy to deny babies the right to life, much less liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if he had any respect for the Constitution whatsoever, he never would have run for prez in the first place. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. And when Madcow, of all people, stops and says "what the...", I gotta wonder.
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BoneSoft wrote:
denying citizens the right to bare arms
They'll take away my tank top when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
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BoneSoft wrote:
denying citizens the right to bare arms
They'll take away my tank top when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Amen brother. It's bad enough employers can deny you the right. ;)
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She's a liberal. Obama is not. It's not rocket science.
Very true. But it's been rare until lately for actual liberals to show any opposition to him. And like I said, I would have expected her to be the last to fold.
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The whole reason this was note-worthy to me was that Madcow caught it, acknowledged it for what it was, and criticized it. I mean, this is world shattering. This is like Hitler bitching about Iran's treatment of the Jews, or Chavez calling Castro a pinko commie blood soaked prick. Hell hath frozen over.
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You know Maddow's home town is Castro Valley? :laugh:
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BoneSoft wrote:
The whole reason this was note-worthy to me was that Maddow caught it
Nothing note-worthy about her criticism about it at all. There has been plenty of liberal criticism of Obama's continuation of many of Bush's worst abuses. The problem is with your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotypes of liberals.
What is your opinion of this?
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Those who actually attain high positions only get there through the kind of convictions only possible with true belief? I'll buy that. But doing what you think is right does not necessarily equate to good intentions and noble goals. I mean, I don't believe it was Hitlers goal when he entered office, but you could even argue that cleansing the world of the 'dirty Jews' seemed like a noble goal to him. In that respect I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)). One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
True, but to date nobody has run for office with that as their platform. :laugh: Well... actually... for all the idiots who think Bush was Hitler...
Oakman wrote:
Sun Tzu
Yes! Know yourself. In the biblical sense? ;P I hear ya, but it's been pretty difficult knowing what's really bouncing around in this maniac's head. He excels at hiding his true intentions.
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Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
True, but to date nobody has run for office with that as their platform. :laugh: Well... actually... for all the idiots who think Bush was Hitler...
Oakman wrote:
Sun Tzu
Yes! Know yourself. In the biblical sense? ;P I hear ya, but it's been pretty difficult knowing what's really bouncing around in this maniac's head. He excels at hiding his true intentions.
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BoneSoft wrote:
He excels at hiding his true intentions.
I agree. I believe you've just come up with another trait of successful politicians (in a Democracy or a Dictatorship.)
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler.
You also read that this morning? :)