Armarium Magnum: "Agora" and Hypatia - Hollywood Strikes Again
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Oakman wrote:
Nope, he f***ed boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullsh*t.
Furthermore, even the infallible (and pro all attitudes deemed "liberal") Wikipedia does bot agree with you. Wikipedia: Achilles and Patroclus[^]
The relationship between Achilles and Patroclus is a key element of the myths associated with the Trojan War. Its exact nature has been a subject of dispute in both the classical period and modern times. In the Iliad, it is clear that the two heroes (who are also first cousins once removed) have a deep and extremely meaningful friendship, but the evidence of a romantic or sexual element is equivocal. Commentators from the classical period to today have tended to interpret the relationship through the lens of their own cultures. Thus, in 5th century BC Athens the relationship was commonly interpreted as pederastic. Contemporary readers are more likely to interpret the two heroes either as non-sexual "war buddies" or as an egalitarian homosexual couple. In Homer - the Iliad In the Iliad, the death of Patroclus is the prime motivation of Achilles' return to battle- and subsequent quest for revenge- in the second half of the poem. The friendship of Achilles and Patroclus is mentioned explicitly only once in the Iliad, and then in a context of military excellence; it is the comradeship of warriors who fight always in each other's company: "From then on the son of Thetis urged that never in the moil of Ares should Patroclus be stationed apart from his own man-slaughtering spear." Although Homer does not dwell on the relationship in great detail, it underpins a great deal of Achilles' actions. Achilles' strongest interpersonal bond is with Patroclus, whom he loves dearly. As Gregory Nagy points out,
For Achilles ... in his own ascending scale of affection as dramatized by the entire composition of the Iliad, the highest place must belong to Patroklos.... In fact Patroklos is for Achilles the πολὺ φίλτατος ... ἑταῖρος — the ‘hetaîros who is the most phílos by far’ (XVII 411, 655).[1]
(Hetaîros means companion or comrade; in Homer it is usually used of soldiers under the same commander. Later the word is
You poor boy. How long did all that looking up take you? Here's a clue: Achilles fucked boys up the ass; girls, too. So did Hercules. So did the Spartans, including the 300. So did the Thebans. But since you believe anything you read on the internet, this was the first site I went to after googling "Achilles Gay": The love story of Achilles and Patroclus gave the Greeks a big headache: They did not worry whether Achilles or Patroclus were gay - it never crossed their minds. They wanted to know who was the top and who was the bottom. In other words, they could not decide who was the lover and who the beloved.[^] Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
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Spoonerize is to change the meaning of sentences by switching words or syllables around, either deliberately or by accident. Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann once referred to Republican Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act (signed by Hoover) as the "Hoot-Smalley" tariffs which she informed the world were the work of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Administration, never once mentioning Whobert Heaver. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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You poor boy. How long did all that looking up take you? Here's a clue: Achilles fucked boys up the ass; girls, too. So did Hercules. So did the Spartans, including the 300. So did the Thebans. But since you believe anything you read on the internet, this was the first site I went to after googling "Achilles Gay": The love story of Achilles and Patroclus gave the Greeks a big headache: They did not worry whether Achilles or Patroclus were gay - it never crossed their minds. They wanted to know who was the top and who was the bottom. In other words, they could not decide who was the lover and who the beloved.[^] Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
Such a lying fool[^] -- it would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
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I am aware of the Rev. Spooner, what I don't get is your use of "spoonerized" in the context of the thread.
Bob Emmett
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'twas a stretch, I admit. In the harsh light of day, I might have gone for a different metaphor.
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Yeah, completely unlike the stylish way Achilles offed Hector. Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Uh, they're not.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Uh, they're not.
Tell that to Hector.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Tell that to Hector.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Is this supposed to be a good point? Achilles was a warrior.
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Is this supposed to be a good point? Achilles was a warrior.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Achilles was a warrior.
And he was gay. And so was Alexander the great, and all those Spartans, and Abraham Lincoln. Clearly, a legacy of violence and inhumanity on the part of gay people. No use trying to cover it up now. The truth is out.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Achilles was a warrior.
And he was gay. And so was Alexander the great, and all those Spartans, and Abraham Lincoln. Clearly, a legacy of violence and inhumanity on the part of gay people. No use trying to cover it up now. The truth is out.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I see. And from this you deduce that not only are gay people naturally violent - as opposed to their peace-loving heterosexual counterparts - but Christianity is the only force capable of pacifying them.
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I see. And from this you deduce that not only are gay people naturally violent - as opposed to their peace-loving heterosexual counterparts - but Christianity is the only force capable of pacifying them.
Clearly, that is the only purely rational and scientific explanation available. Oh, and Adolph Hitler was gay also, btw. And so was that fat guy that he hung around with...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Clearly, that is the only purely rational and scientific explanation available. Oh, and Adolph Hitler was gay also, btw. And so was that fat guy that he hung around with...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Clearly, that is the only purely rational and scientific explanation available.
Phh. That evidence is so laughable I'm not even going to bother criticising it.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Oh, and Adolph Hitler was gay also, btw. And so was that fat guy that he hung around with...
Not only was Adolf Hitler not gay, he was religious.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Clearly, that is the only purely rational and scientific explanation available.
Phh. That evidence is so laughable I'm not even going to bother criticising it.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Oh, and Adolph Hitler was gay also, btw. And so was that fat guy that he hung around with...
Not only was Adolf Hitler not gay, he was religious.
You can hide behind your anti-intellectual dogma all you like, we more enlightened members of human society will have to accept the indisputable conclusions: Christianity became popular because it provided liberation from the violent, brutal tyranny of gay people.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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You can hide behind your anti-intellectual dogma all you like, we more enlightened members of human society will have to accept the indisputable conclusions: Christianity became popular because it provided liberation from the violent, brutal tyranny of gay people.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
You...are joking, right?
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You...are joking, right?
I never joke about science.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I never joke about science.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Oh, you! ;P This isn't science.
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Oh, you! ;P This isn't science.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
This isn't science.
Thanks.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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You can hide behind your anti-intellectual dogma all you like, we more enlightened members of human society will have to accept the indisputable conclusions: Christianity became popular because it provided liberation from the violent, brutal tyranny of gay people.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
the indisputable conclusions: Christianity became popular because it provided liberation from the violent, brutal tyranny of gay people.
Roman Emperors[^] -- so many of those dudes, especially the more insane and violent ones, were "gay."
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
This isn't science.
Thanks.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
That's definitely not a compliment. Something is either science, pseudoscience or religion.
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That's definitely not a compliment. Something is either science, pseudoscience or religion.
Yeah, I know. Thats why I said 'thank you'.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.