Climate change causes 315,000 deaths a year.
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OK, backtracking. Do you believe in drought ? Do you believe people die from lack of food ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They have been taught to believe and prefer Obama's policies over a period of years.
Of course, because the new world order controls Obama, but not Bush, right ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Same thing with other issues like health care.
What does health care have to do with it ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
With Bush being such a moron and Obama being a smooth talking master manipulator of emotion and thought people just love him and trust him
OK, so Obama is smart, and Bush is stupid, so you hate Obama ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Watch a few videos of him speaking to a large number of people and you get a sense of his power.
He is an excellent orator, no question. I was in the US during the election.
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Christian Graus wrote:
OK, backtracking. Do you believe in drought ? Do you believe people die from lack of food ?
No doubt.
Christian Graus wrote:
Of course, because the new world order controls Obama, but not Bush, right ?
Bush helped push us into the state we are in now, and Obama is going to finish where he left off with a new game plan.
Christian Graus wrote:
What does health care have to do with it ?
It is important to make everyone subordinate to the government. To do that they need a welfare state, they want to control your ability to receive healthcare. You wouldn't bite teh hand that feeds would you?
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so Obama is smart, and Bush is stupid, so you hate Obama ?
No, I hate them both for what they do and what they stand for. Obama is just far more overwhelming and bold about what he does.
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Christian Graus wrote:
OK, backtracking. Do you believe in drought ? Do you believe people die from lack of food ?
No doubt.
Christian Graus wrote:
Of course, because the new world order controls Obama, but not Bush, right ?
Bush helped push us into the state we are in now, and Obama is going to finish where he left off with a new game plan.
Christian Graus wrote:
What does health care have to do with it ?
It is important to make everyone subordinate to the government. To do that they need a welfare state, they want to control your ability to receive healthcare. You wouldn't bite teh hand that feeds would you?
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so Obama is smart, and Bush is stupid, so you hate Obama ?
No, I hate them both for what they do and what they stand for. Obama is just far more overwhelming and bold about what he does.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No doubt.
So, if more people are dying from drought, isn't that the main point of the story ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Bush helped push us into the state we are in now, and Obama is going to finish where he left off with a new game plan.
They are BOTH pawns of the new world order ? So, there's no opposition ? Why not just unveil it now then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is important to make everyone subordinate to the government. To do that they need a welfare state, they want to control your ability to receive healthcare. You wouldn't bite teh hand that feeds would you?
This is such ignorant BS. You are poor, and likely to be poor your whole life. You'd rather be denied access to medical care than have the taxes of people who made something of their lives help fund access to care for you and yours ? Australia has Medicare. I can tell you, we are NOT subordinate to our government. Less so than you, if anything.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No doubt.
So, if more people are dying from drought, isn't that the main point of the story ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Bush helped push us into the state we are in now, and Obama is going to finish where he left off with a new game plan.
They are BOTH pawns of the new world order ? So, there's no opposition ? Why not just unveil it now then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is important to make everyone subordinate to the government. To do that they need a welfare state, they want to control your ability to receive healthcare. You wouldn't bite teh hand that feeds would you?
This is such ignorant BS. You are poor, and likely to be poor your whole life. You'd rather be denied access to medical care than have the taxes of people who made something of their lives help fund access to care for you and yours ? Australia has Medicare. I can tell you, we are NOT subordinate to our government. Less so than you, if anything.
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Christian Graus wrote:
They are BOTH pawns of the new world order ? So, there's no opposition ? Why not just unveil it now then ?
Yes. Not really. Because everyone hasn't been indoctrinated into it yet. Global warming will play a major role into getting everyone on board. The first stages of global government will be in the form of climate control regulation and oversight. People will think it is necessary since they think the world is going to end if they don't do something. In addition Cap & Trade will equalize nations wealth to get everyone on an even playing field in the global market. Rich nations will pay poor nations through carbon credits and such.
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Christian Graus wrote:
They are BOTH pawns of the new world order ? So, there's no opposition ? Why not just unveil it now then ?
Yes. Not really. Because everyone hasn't been indoctrinated into it yet. Global warming will play a major role into getting everyone on board. The first stages of global government will be in the form of climate control regulation and oversight. People will think it is necessary since they think the world is going to end if they don't do something. In addition Cap & Trade will equalize nations wealth to get everyone on an even playing field in the global market. Rich nations will pay poor nations through carbon credits and such.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Because everyone hasn't been indoctrinated into it yet.
I thought you said they had ? Through global warming/Obama/etc ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The first stages of global government will be in the form of climate control regulation and oversight.
I see you guys have moved on from the UN being the 'first stage'.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In addition Cap & Trade will equalize nations wealth to get everyone on an even playing field in the global market. Rich nations will pay poor nations through carbon credits and such.
OK, is this a good, or a bad thing ? You're the one with all the empathy, are you willing to lower your standard of living in order for others to have enough to eat, or do you say screw them ?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Because everyone hasn't been indoctrinated into it yet.
I thought you said they had ? Through global warming/Obama/etc ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The first stages of global government will be in the form of climate control regulation and oversight.
I see you guys have moved on from the UN being the 'first stage'.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In addition Cap & Trade will equalize nations wealth to get everyone on an even playing field in the global market. Rich nations will pay poor nations through carbon credits and such.
OK, is this a good, or a bad thing ? You're the one with all the empathy, are you willing to lower your standard of living in order for others to have enough to eat, or do you say screw them ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you said they had ? Through global warming/Obama/etc ?
They need a stronger dose to except whats coming.
Christian Graus wrote:
do you say screw them ?
I say screw them, they have land and resources, they need to use them or die.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you said they had ? Through global warming/Obama/etc ?
They need a stronger dose to except whats coming.
Christian Graus wrote:
do you say screw them ?
I say screw them, they have land and resources, they need to use them or die.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They need a stronger dose to except whats coming.
accept ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I say screw them, they have land and resources, they need to use them or die.
But I'm the one lacking in empathy ? You think people are choosing to die, out of what ? Laziness ? You have absolutely no clue about anything to do with life and the real world.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They need a stronger dose to except whats coming.
accept ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I say screw them, they have land and resources, they need to use them or die.
But I'm the one lacking in empathy ? You think people are choosing to die, out of what ? Laziness ? You have absolutely no clue about anything to do with life and the real world.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You think people are choosing to die, out of what ? Laziness ?
It is called Darwinism or survival of the fittest. It is natural evolution. If they want it to live bad enough they will do what is needed to survive. Do you think American colonists needed welfare? No, look at what we have become and now we are just going to throw it all away. Just because I have empathy that doesn't mean I want to ease people's pain so I don't feel theirs. I want them to be able to do it themselves.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You think people are choosing to die, out of what ? Laziness ?
It is called Darwinism or survival of the fittest. It is natural evolution. If they want it to live bad enough they will do what is needed to survive. Do you think American colonists needed welfare? No, look at what we have become and now we are just going to throw it all away. Just because I have empathy that doesn't mean I want to ease people's pain so I don't feel theirs. I want them to be able to do it themselves.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they want it to live bad enough they will do what is needed to survive.
You're an ignorant clown.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Do you think American colonists needed welfare?
No, most of them died. And that was with the advantage of the locals being killed by the diseases they brought.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, look at what we have become and now we are just going to throw it all away
I'm not sure how you're throwing it away, or what this has to do with what we're talking about.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I want them to be able to do it themselves.
How, exactly ? You're full of it, buddy.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they want it to live bad enough they will do what is needed to survive.
You're an ignorant clown.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Do you think American colonists needed welfare?
No, most of them died. And that was with the advantage of the locals being killed by the diseases they brought.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, look at what we have become and now we are just going to throw it all away
I'm not sure how you're throwing it away, or what this has to do with what we're talking about.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I want them to be able to do it themselves.
How, exactly ? You're full of it, buddy.
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Chris, I read every word of this thread with joy! It was a lovely contest of reason vs retard. Unfortunatly you can sometimes teach an old dog new tricks but you can't stop them from licking there balls.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is absolute bullsh*t. How dare they feed us this garbage. I bet people will end up believing this sh*t in the near future if they don't already.
Do you have any meaningful comments to make on this, or just swearing ? b/c all you're doing is showing how stupid you are, regardless of which side of the debate people sit on. Do you believe that hinger exists in the world at all ? Do you accept the possibility that drought is something that can be measured, and that kills people. Global warming or not, there's a lot of drought about, and a lot of people dying.
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Is it boredom that leads you to walk down a path fraught with frustration, yet leading to nowhere? :-D
Christian Graus wrote:
Do you believe that hinger exists in the world at all ? Do you accept the possibility that drought is something that can be measured, and that kills people. Global warming or not, there's a lot of drought about, and a lot of people dying.
I believe that drought can be measured and it does bring hunger and death. It has done so all throughout history. I also think that climate change can govern the frequency and severity of drought, history bears that out as well. I am just not convinced that climate change is anthropogenic in nature, at least not to the degree that the contribution could even be measured.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Chris, I read every word of this thread with joy! It was a lovely contest of reason vs retard. Unfortunatly you can sometimes teach an old dog new tricks but you can't stop them from licking there balls.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
you can't stop them from licking there balls
Why would you want to?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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I note you still can't engage in conversation, where you answer the questions I ask you. Have you considered that some people just prefer Obama's policies, that they actually make sense to them ? Or just that moron like Bush would turn people completely against anyone who is in the same party ?
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williamnw wrote:
you can't stop them from licking there balls
Why would you want to?
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Jealousy
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Is it boredom that leads you to walk down a path fraught with frustration, yet leading to nowhere? :-D
Christian Graus wrote:
Do you believe that hinger exists in the world at all ? Do you accept the possibility that drought is something that can be measured, and that kills people. Global warming or not, there's a lot of drought about, and a lot of people dying.
I believe that drought can be measured and it does bring hunger and death. It has done so all throughout history. I also think that climate change can govern the frequency and severity of drought, history bears that out as well. I am just not convinced that climate change is anthropogenic in nature, at least not to the degree that the contribution could even be measured.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Is it boredom that leads you to walk down a path fraught with frustration, yet leading to nowhere
No-one else was posting.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I believe that drought can be measured and it does bring hunger and death. It has done so all throughout history. I also think that climate change can govern the frequency and severity of drought, history bears that out as well. I am just not convinced that climate change is anthropogenic in nature, at least not to the degree that the contribution could even be measured.
I tend to agree. That's not the point I was trying to make. The point was that regardless of the reasons, the earth IS getting warmer, there IS drought, and people are dying. CSS did not disappoint in showing he had no knowledge of this, at least not on any meaningful level. He'd already told me in another thread that I have zero empathy ( amongst other things ), so I set out mostly to explore his levels of empathy....
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Is it boredom that leads you to walk down a path fraught with frustration, yet leading to nowhere
No-one else was posting.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I believe that drought can be measured and it does bring hunger and death. It has done so all throughout history. I also think that climate change can govern the frequency and severity of drought, history bears that out as well. I am just not convinced that climate change is anthropogenic in nature, at least not to the degree that the contribution could even be measured.
I tend to agree. That's not the point I was trying to make. The point was that regardless of the reasons, the earth IS getting warmer, there IS drought, and people are dying. CSS did not disappoint in showing he had no knowledge of this, at least not on any meaningful level. He'd already told me in another thread that I have zero empathy ( amongst other things ), so I set out mostly to explore his levels of empathy....
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Christian Graus wrote:
He'd already told me in another thread that I have zero empathy
I believe I am a compassionate and sympathetic person, but I am not sure I have all that much empathy, specifically when narrowly defined in its subtle distinction from sympathy.
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Christian Graus wrote:
He'd already told me in another thread that I have zero empathy
I believe I am a compassionate and sympathetic person, but I am not sure I have all that much empathy, specifically when narrowly defined in its subtle distinction from sympathy.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
I am not sure of the distinction you're making, but I do know that I've learned to try to understand how people feel based on their situation, rather than doing what CSS did above and saying 'well, if they are hungry, they must be too lazy to grow food', etc.
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I am not sure of the distinction you're making, but I do know that I've learned to try to understand how people feel based on their situation, rather than doing what CSS did above and saying 'well, if they are hungry, they must be too lazy to grow food', etc.
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I googled the wiki for sympathy and found this: Although empathy and sympathy are often used interchangeably, a subtle variation in ordinary usage can be detected. To empathize is to respond to another's perceived emotional state by experiencing feelings of a similar sort. Sympathy not only includes empathizing (but not always), but also entails having a positive regard or a non-fleeting concern for the other person. I can express my understanding and concern for someone elses suffering (sympathy) without actually suffering with them (empathy). Maybe I am being pedantic...wouldn't be the first time. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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I googled the wiki for sympathy and found this: Although empathy and sympathy are often used interchangeably, a subtle variation in ordinary usage can be detected. To empathize is to respond to another's perceived emotional state by experiencing feelings of a similar sort. Sympathy not only includes empathizing (but not always), but also entails having a positive regard or a non-fleeting concern for the other person. I can express my understanding and concern for someone elses suffering (sympathy) without actually suffering with them (empathy). Maybe I am being pedantic...wouldn't be the first time. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
OK, I did a google define, and I got the definition I would use. Which is, to put oneself in someone elses shoes in order to understand their situation. But, perhaps your definition is more correct, I don't know.
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OK, I did a google define, and I got the definition I would use. Which is, to put oneself in someone elses shoes in order to understand their situation. But, perhaps your definition is more correct, I don't know.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, perhaps your definition is more correct, I don't know.
I don't know either...I think that common usage tends to morph the definition of words over time. Our conversation brought to mind a Star Trek episode. I don't know if you ever watched Star Trek TOS. One of the episodes was called The Empath[^]. There was a woman who healed people by transferring their pain and suffering onto herself.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, perhaps your definition is more correct, I don't know.
I don't know either...I think that common usage tends to morph the definition of words over time. Our conversation brought to mind a Star Trek episode. I don't know if you ever watched Star Trek TOS. One of the episodes was called The Empath[^]. There was a woman who healed people by transferring their pain and suffering onto herself.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read