Freedom of speech, except on campus
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No, that is a LINK. I was asking for an OPINION. Do you understand that these two things are different?
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So basically, it's an article by FIRE [whoever they may be] about a campaign FIRE are undertaking, quoting sources from FIRE. This strikes me as slightly one-sided. Next up is the context. Ignore the legality, do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools? YES or NO?
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okay now, since you didn't bother to read the article the student, one Christine Brashier (we can assume it is a female) was denied her first mendment rights at a junior college campus. she was denied the ability to speak, distribute phamphlets (just so you understand, distributing a phamhlet is the equivalant of political speech), on the of the right to carry on campus. she then turned to an organization that was founded some ten years back specifically to protect such student rights. if that sounds to you as one sided, what is your opinion of the administration that not only to put a halt to the distribution of the phamphlets but told her to destroy them and you want to dissuss context? the context was available in the article.
williamnw wrote:
Ignore the legality
why certainly and what other rights gauranteed by the Constituiton would you like to ignore?
williamnw wrote:
do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools?
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself. fyi - heading to the Indy gun show, need anything?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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okay now, since you didn't bother to read the article the student, one Christine Brashier (we can assume it is a female) was denied her first mendment rights at a junior college campus. she was denied the ability to speak, distribute phamphlets (just so you understand, distributing a phamhlet is the equivalant of political speech), on the of the right to carry on campus. she then turned to an organization that was founded some ten years back specifically to protect such student rights. if that sounds to you as one sided, what is your opinion of the administration that not only to put a halt to the distribution of the phamphlets but told her to destroy them and you want to dissuss context? the context was available in the article.
williamnw wrote:
Ignore the legality
why certainly and what other rights gauranteed by the Constituiton would you like to ignore?
williamnw wrote:
do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools?
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself. fyi - heading to the Indy gun show, need anything?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
since you didn't bother to read the article
I did read the article. That was how I identified the source and reference.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
williamnw wrote: do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools? absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church
Sorry, just let me check I understand you. You think that it is a good idea for children to have firearms? You think that it is a good idea to take firearms into a church? You think that it is a good idea to keep a gun ready when shopping? Rather then buying a new gun, how about a new home? Or maybe even some therapy to sort out your paranoia?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
since you didn't bother to read the article
I did read the article. That was how I identified the source and reference.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
williamnw wrote: do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools? absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church
Sorry, just let me check I understand you. You think that it is a good idea for children to have firearms? You think that it is a good idea to take firearms into a church? You think that it is a good idea to keep a gun ready when shopping? Rather then buying a new gun, how about a new home? Or maybe even some therapy to sort out your paranoia?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
Rather then buying a new gun
actually going to pick up ammo.
williamnw wrote:
how about a new home?
don't need one, mine is paid for.
williamnw wrote:
Or maybe even some therapy to sort out your paranoia?
awwww, thanks for your concern.
williamnw wrote:
Sorry, just let me check I understand you. You think that it is a good idea for children to have firearms? You think that it is a good idea to take firearms into a church? You think that it is a good idea to keep a gun ready when shopping?
yes, I learned to shoot when I was 10. yes yes but you still didn't say which of our other Constituitional rights you'd like to ignore. oops, just checked and you live in the UK ergo you have no Constituitional rights, no damn wonder we left you at the altar.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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okay now, since you didn't bother to read the article the student, one Christine Brashier (we can assume it is a female) was denied her first mendment rights at a junior college campus. she was denied the ability to speak, distribute phamphlets (just so you understand, distributing a phamhlet is the equivalant of political speech), on the of the right to carry on campus. she then turned to an organization that was founded some ten years back specifically to protect such student rights. if that sounds to you as one sided, what is your opinion of the administration that not only to put a halt to the distribution of the phamphlets but told her to destroy them and you want to dissuss context? the context was available in the article.
williamnw wrote:
Ignore the legality
why certainly and what other rights gauranteed by the Constituiton would you like to ignore?
williamnw wrote:
do you think it is a good idea to encourage firm arms in schools?
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself. fyi - heading to the Indy gun show, need anything?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself.
I can imagine the scene. A guy comes in and starts shooting. Everybody starts shooting. Other people come from another room and start shooting, but don't know who is the real threat, because everybody is shooting, so he shoots anybody. Then the people already in the room start shooting at the people that just came in. At the end, the number of victims is far more larger than it would have been with a single shooter. This is just s fictional scenario, but quite a possible one. By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
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An interesting article[^]. I can understand there are two sets of opinions on the subject of carying a weapon and that the opinions are even more strident in a cloistered environemt but to virtually make one set of opinions intolerable by policy is way out of line. I suspect it isn't permissable to question the environmental religionists either.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I'm tired of people who think they can tell other people what to do. Sometimes I'd like just beat the living shit out of someone like that school official.
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williamnw wrote:
Rather then buying a new gun
actually going to pick up ammo.
williamnw wrote:
how about a new home?
don't need one, mine is paid for.
williamnw wrote:
Or maybe even some therapy to sort out your paranoia?
awwww, thanks for your concern.
williamnw wrote:
Sorry, just let me check I understand you. You think that it is a good idea for children to have firearms? You think that it is a good idea to take firearms into a church? You think that it is a good idea to keep a gun ready when shopping?
yes, I learned to shoot when I was 10. yes yes but you still didn't say which of our other Constituitional rights you'd like to ignore. oops, just checked and you live in the UK ergo you have no Constituitional rights, no damn wonder we left you at the altar.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
learned to shoot when I was 10.
I was 8-9 when I was taught how to use a rifle and hand gun. That does not mean that I think it is a good to have children with guns unsupervised.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Constituitional rights you'd like to ignore
I was asking you not to for go your rights, but to ignopre them for a moment and think about the implications. Funny, Britain has survived arround a 1,000 years without a written constitution. There are some good arguments for and against changing that. Personally I am rather happy with the set-up right now. Next, take a quick look at the conditions under which the American Constitution was written. The world (and there's a lot apart from the USA) was a very different place. Finally, we've got real beer while you get, to quote Monty Python, 'Canoe Sex'. You've got such a lovely long chain, it's great fun yanking it. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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I'm tired of people who think they can tell other people what to do. Sometimes I'd like just beat the living shit out of someone like that school official.
That's a good concise opinion. I guess you haven't fired up the old crack pipe yet?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself.
I can imagine the scene. A guy comes in and starts shooting. Everybody starts shooting. Other people come from another room and start shooting, but don't know who is the real threat, because everybody is shooting, so he shoots anybody. Then the people already in the room start shooting at the people that just came in. At the end, the number of victims is far more larger than it would have been with a single shooter. This is just s fictional scenario, but quite a possible one. By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
Le Centriste wrote:
By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
Not true because everyone will run away from him. He might get a few shots back from behind a corner.
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That's a good concise opinion. I guess you haven't fired up the old crack pipe yet?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
That's a good concise opinion.
Indeed it is. You could hang you head low, forget about everything you stand for, willingly give up your freedom to do anything at your own free will, and say "yes sir". I'd rather see people take charge of their own lives and defy authority.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself.
I can imagine the scene. A guy comes in and starts shooting. Everybody starts shooting. Other people come from another room and start shooting, but don't know who is the real threat, because everybody is shooting, so he shoots anybody. Then the people already in the room start shooting at the people that just came in. At the end, the number of victims is far more larger than it would have been with a single shooter. This is just s fictional scenario, but quite a possible one. By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
learned to shoot when I was 10.
I was 8-9 when I was taught how to use a rifle and hand gun. That does not mean that I think it is a good to have children with guns unsupervised.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Constituitional rights you'd like to ignore
I was asking you not to for go your rights, but to ignopre them for a moment and think about the implications. Funny, Britain has survived arround a 1,000 years without a written constitution. There are some good arguments for and against changing that. Personally I am rather happy with the set-up right now. Next, take a quick look at the conditions under which the American Constitution was written. The world (and there's a lot apart from the USA) was a very different place. Finally, we've got real beer while you get, to quote Monty Python, 'Canoe Sex'. You've got such a lovely long chain, it's great fun yanking it. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
You've got such a lovely long chain, it's great fun yanking it.
and I enjoy it, keeps me sharp. thanks.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Le Centriste wrote:
This is just s fictional scenario, but quite a possible one.
OK possible but the probability? Sounds like a tad pariniod to me.
Carrying a gun just in case of an improbable shooting isn't paranoid to you?
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williamnw wrote:
That's a good concise opinion.
Indeed it is. You could hang you head low, forget about everything you stand for, willingly give up your freedom to do anything at your own free will, and say "yes sir". I'd rather see people take charge of their own lives and defy authority.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You could hang you head low
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and say "yes sir".
Why the hell would I do that? You've now loosing it, I am not the type to be sub-servient. I have people to do that for me; dontchaknow.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
absolutely. and in state parks and in federal parks and in the mall and in a church - all places where current events show you may need to defend yourself.
I can imagine the scene. A guy comes in and starts shooting. Everybody starts shooting. Other people come from another room and start shooting, but don't know who is the real threat, because everybody is shooting, so he shoots anybody. Then the people already in the room start shooting at the people that just came in. At the end, the number of victims is far more larger than it would have been with a single shooter. This is just s fictional scenario, but quite a possible one. By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
Le Centriste wrote:
By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
I think it works the other way around. unless someone is truly mad (and I don't discount the possibility) I believe the possibility that someone else in a group is carrying works against the probability that anyone will attempt to initiate the scenario you described.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Carrying a gun just in case of an improbable shooting isn't paranoid to you?
Le Centriste wrote:
Carrying a gun just in case of an improbable shooting isn't paranoid to you?
nope, simply a common sense precaution sort of like people that buy gold because they can and the worlds finances might go belly up rendering paper money worthless.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Le Centriste wrote:
By allowing people carrying guns in places where many people gather can only facilitate the work of a mad shooter, for he can go unnoticed because everyone is carrying a gun.
I think it works the other way around. unless someone is truly mad (and I don't discount the possibility) I believe the possibility that someone else in a group is carrying works against the probability that anyone will attempt to initiate the scenario you described.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
You have a good point here.
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Carrying a gun just in case of an improbable shooting isn't paranoid to you?
Actually no. I don't have the time at the moment but I suggest you google gun violence where the enacted concealed permits .. if I recall right, there was not one location it didn't decrease. I am an advocate of training and exercising Constitutional rights. I had guns in my home and took all my kids shooting at very young ages. But in the end a gun is simply a tool. You can take a shovel and plant a garden, to or take the same viciously beat someone. Much depended on the person possessing it. the scenario you presented was close to science fiction ..
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
learned to shoot when I was 10.
I was 8-9 when I was taught how to use a rifle and hand gun. That does not mean that I think it is a good to have children with guns unsupervised.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Constituitional rights you'd like to ignore
I was asking you not to for go your rights, but to ignopre them for a moment and think about the implications. Funny, Britain has survived arround a 1,000 years without a written constitution. There are some good arguments for and against changing that. Personally I am rather happy with the set-up right now. Next, take a quick look at the conditions under which the American Constitution was written. The world (and there's a lot apart from the USA) was a very different place. Finally, we've got real beer while you get, to quote Monty Python, 'Canoe Sex'. You've got such a lovely long chain, it's great fun yanking it. ;P
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
Funny, Britain has survived arround a 1,000 years without a written constitution. There are some good arguments for and against changing that. Personally I am rather happy with the set-up right now.
I wanted to stop back by and ask if you'd ever read, "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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williamnw wrote:
Funny, Britain has survived arround a 1,000 years without a written constitution. There are some good arguments for and against changing that. Personally I am rather happy with the set-up right now.
I wanted to stop back by and ask if you'd ever read, "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Around twenty five years ago when I was studying Political Science.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.