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  • G Gary Kirkham

    Oakman wrote:

    Limbaugh's voice serves Limbaugh - first, last, and always. He is a superb performer who gets paid a lot of money for getting people to listen to commercials. He always says what his audience wants to hear and he never challenges them to really analyse or think for themselves.

    Oakman wrote:

    he is all about demographics.

    As opposed to who else in the media? I used to listen to Limbaugh years ago...I stopped listening for various reasons, few related to him. I always laughed at the "ditto head" nonsense. I thought for myself! I saw him more as a public voice for some of the things I believed when absolutely no one else in the media was that voice.

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    Gary Kirkham wrote:

    As opposed to who else in the media?

    Oh I think there are folks out there who try to get people to think about issues: Krauthammer, Joe Scarborough come to mind, even O'Reilly on occasion. There aren't too many liberals left on TV that can be said of though. But certainly anyone in the media is about demographics. Even if the person themselves doesn't care, their sponsors do.

    Gary Kirkham wrote:

    I thought for myself! I saw him more as a public voice for some of the things I believed when absolutely no one else in the media was that voice.

    It's my impression that, as he has become more popular, he has dumbed down his message more and more.

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    • O Oakman

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      Limbaugh is the one, the only one, out there saying that hispanics are not a mindless mob.

      Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh. On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you. But then again, I don't listen to talk radio very much.

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      First, a ditto head is simply someone who agrees with some version of the statement "Rush is really great".

      Interpreted like a liberal Supreme Court Judge: ditto doesn't mean ditto, it means. . .

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      If you had ever actually listened to his show, you would understand that

      Sorry, I work for a living.

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      He is, in fact, the last conservative standing

      Don't be silly. If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      That obviously scares you

      Yeah, ol' pilonidal cyst is gonna scare me. Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like bailing out GM and AIG, or criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      I sure as hell hope he is being paid well for that, he deserves every penny of it.

      You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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      Oakman wrote:

      He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think

      you're confusing Rush with Gibbs.

      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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        Stan Shannon wrote:

        That was exactly my point.

        Your point was that there are Hispanics objecting to her statements, or to her nomination or both? You sure could have fooled me. :confused:

        Stan Shannon wrote:

        That is why Limbaugh's voice is more important now than it has ever been

        Limbaugh's voice serves Limbaugh - first, last, and always. He is a superb performer who gets paid a lot of money for getting people to listen to commercials. He always says what his audience wants to hear and he never challenges them to really analyse or think for themselves. (That's why they're called ditto-heads.) He is just as important and just as necessary as the dancing bear that traveled with the snake-oil salesmen back in the 1800's. Like most mass media types he panders to the lowest common denominator, because that is what sells the most soap. In other words, Stan, he is all about demographics.

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        Oakman wrote:

        Limbaugh's voice serves Limbaugh - first, last, and always.

        Sorry Oakman, this time Stan is right and you're dead wrong.

        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          Limbaugh is the one, the only one, out there saying that hispanics are not a mindless mob.

          Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh. On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you. But then again, I don't listen to talk radio very much.

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          First, a ditto head is simply someone who agrees with some version of the statement "Rush is really great".

          Interpreted like a liberal Supreme Court Judge: ditto doesn't mean ditto, it means. . .

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          If you had ever actually listened to his show, you would understand that

          Sorry, I work for a living.

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          He is, in fact, the last conservative standing

          Don't be silly. If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          That obviously scares you

          Yeah, ol' pilonidal cyst is gonna scare me. Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like bailing out GM and AIG, or criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          I sure as hell hope he is being paid well for that, he deserves every penny of it.

          You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

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          Oakman wrote:

          Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh.

          He made a comment to that affect yesterday - the hispanic community is not monolithic. You'll just have to trust me or join his 24/7 subscrioption. He's been citing Patton a lot this week "If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking..."

          Oakman wrote:

          On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you.

          I don't understand that point.

          Oakman wrote:

          If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

          Rush is a big fan of Krauthammer ,as am I.

          Oakman wrote:

          Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like ... criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

          Just my own belief. I stand by it. I've never dealt with an honest insurance company, and never expect to. In fact, I don't believe insurance companies, especially health insurance, can be honest and still earn a profit. They have to convince you that you are safer if you give them your money because everyone else is also giving them money and they will give it back to you if you need it. For example, I found a leak in my home a couple of years ago which had caused some significant wood rot. The repairs cost me upwards of $5000. But my home owners insurance wouldn't cover it precisely because wood rot was involved. Thats not covered by the policy as it turns out. Well, sure, the most common problem a structure made out of wood is likely to have is obviously not covered.

          Oakman wrote:

          You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

          Actually, Jon, I think I understand the basic concept guite well. But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message

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            Oakman wrote:

            I'm glad to see you posting - with everything that's going down in the auto industry, I was getting concerned - just a tiny bit, of course.

            Just had a busy week.

            Oakman wrote:

            Yes, there has been some loud noises made by Rush and some of the other entertainers who make their money and their ratings by being as outrageous as possible

            What have you heard Limbaugh say about this that was 'outrageous' in any way? Limbaugh's point has been consistently that even though there is no doubt she is going to get the seat, this is an opportunity for republicans to define Obama. If anything, he is about the only one stating an opinion about this that isn't racist. How racist is it to believe that every single hispanic will react in exactly the same way to any criticism of this women?

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Stan Shannon wrote:

            What have you heard Limbaugh say

            He wants to buy some of those pain pills. :~

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              Stan Shannon wrote:

              Limbaugh is the one, the only one, out there saying that hispanics are not a mindless mob.

              Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh. On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you. But then again, I don't listen to talk radio very much.

              Stan Shannon wrote:

              First, a ditto head is simply someone who agrees with some version of the statement "Rush is really great".

              Interpreted like a liberal Supreme Court Judge: ditto doesn't mean ditto, it means. . .

              Stan Shannon wrote:

              If you had ever actually listened to his show, you would understand that

              Sorry, I work for a living.

              Stan Shannon wrote:

              He is, in fact, the last conservative standing

              Don't be silly. If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

              Stan Shannon wrote:

              That obviously scares you

              Yeah, ol' pilonidal cyst is gonna scare me. Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like bailing out GM and AIG, or criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

              Stan Shannon wrote:

              I sure as hell hope he is being paid well for that, he deserves every penny of it.

              You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

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              Oakman wrote:

              Interpreted like a liberal Supreme Court Judge: ditto doesn't mean ditto, it means. . .

              The term came into use because callers would frequently begin by giving praise and thanks to Limbaugh. Knowing that the caller’s and listener’s time is valuable, one caller simply said roughly "ditto to what those guys said (how much they enjoyed the show)." Thereafter, callers were encouraged to simply say, “Dittos,” and then get right to their point. Thus, long-time listeners would begin their calls with “Dittos, Rush,” leading to the term “dittoheads.” [^]

              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              • S Stan Shannon

                Oakman wrote:

                Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh.

                He made a comment to that affect yesterday - the hispanic community is not monolithic. You'll just have to trust me or join his 24/7 subscrioption. He's been citing Patton a lot this week "If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking..."

                Oakman wrote:

                On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you.

                I don't understand that point.

                Oakman wrote:

                If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

                Rush is a big fan of Krauthammer ,as am I.

                Oakman wrote:

                Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like ... criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

                Just my own belief. I stand by it. I've never dealt with an honest insurance company, and never expect to. In fact, I don't believe insurance companies, especially health insurance, can be honest and still earn a profit. They have to convince you that you are safer if you give them your money because everyone else is also giving them money and they will give it back to you if you need it. For example, I found a leak in my home a couple of years ago which had caused some significant wood rot. The repairs cost me upwards of $5000. But my home owners insurance wouldn't cover it precisely because wood rot was involved. Thats not covered by the policy as it turns out. Well, sure, the most common problem a structure made out of wood is likely to have is obviously not covered.

                Oakman wrote:

                You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

                Actually, Jon, I think I understand the basic concept guite well. But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message about this country, its people and its history. The man can stand up and give a two hour discourse on his beliefs to a live audience straight from his heart, no notes, no teleprompter, nothing. Lets see Obama or anyone else do that. Thats not fake.

                Yeah, nobody else in the history of radio has ever been able to prepare material for a two-three hour live show and pull it off without reading from a teleprompter or reading verbatim from notes. It's not like he discusses current events, reads from newspaper articles, or takes calls, after all (oh wait). Beyond that, if you think that Rush's shows just kind of magically throw themselves together without any work because it's *gasp* from his heart then you just might be a little naive.

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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message about this country, its people and its history. The man can stand up and give a two hour discourse on his beliefs to a live audience straight from his heart, no notes, no teleprompter, nothing. Lets see Obama or anyone else do that. Thats not fake.

                  Yeah, nobody else in the history of radio has ever been able to prepare material for a two-three hour live show and pull it off without reading from a teleprompter or reading verbatim from notes. It's not like he discusses current events, reads from newspaper articles, or takes calls, after all (oh wait). Beyond that, if you think that Rush's shows just kind of magically throw themselves together without any work because it's *gasp* from his heart then you just might be a little naive.

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                  Off the cuff...[^] The man clearly believes in what he says. Make all the jokes you like about drugs or divorces, you simply cannot take that away from him.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                    Oakman wrote:

                    He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think

                    you're confusing Rush with Gibbs.

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    Mike Gaskey wrote:

                    you're confusing Rush with Gibbs.

                    Nope. Rush gets more laughs.

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                    • S Stan Shannon

                      Oakman wrote:

                      Really? You don;t happen to have a citation, do you? I just spent 15 minutes trying to find something even remotely close to that from Limbaugh.

                      He made a comment to that affect yesterday - the hispanic community is not monolithic. You'll just have to trust me or join his 24/7 subscrioption. He's been citing Patton a lot this week "If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking..."

                      Oakman wrote:

                      On the other hand, there are a bunch of Republicans who seem to assume what you find uniquely Rushian and I find rather patronizing of you.

                      I don't understand that point.

                      Oakman wrote:

                      If there's a true conservative speaking for other conservative out there, it's Charles Krauthammer. Rush yammers on saying whatever get him ratings.

                      Rush is a big fan of Krauthammer ,as am I.

                      Oakman wrote:

                      Stan what scares me is the number of people who have stupid-ass ideas like ... criminalizing the selling of any and or all insurance of any kind.

                      Just my own belief. I stand by it. I've never dealt with an honest insurance company, and never expect to. In fact, I don't believe insurance companies, especially health insurance, can be honest and still earn a profit. They have to convince you that you are safer if you give them your money because everyone else is also giving them money and they will give it back to you if you need it. For example, I found a leak in my home a couple of years ago which had caused some significant wood rot. The repairs cost me upwards of $5000. But my home owners insurance wouldn't cover it precisely because wood rot was involved. Thats not covered by the policy as it turns out. Well, sure, the most common problem a structure made out of wood is likely to have is obviously not covered.

                      Oakman wrote:

                      You don't get it, do you? He isn't paid for any of that, he's paid to sell his sponsors' product. That is the beginning, middle, and end of it. He panders to those who can't think, won't think, or are afraid to think and he does a great job of it. He sells a lot of soap. Just like Ellen Degeneres or Oprah.

                      Actually, Jon, I think I understand the basic concept guite well. But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message

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                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      Rush is a big fan of Krauthammer ,as am I.

                      Then both of you should take his advice: "They should do nothing about rumors in liberal magazines about her intellectual capacity, nothing about her temperament, nothing ad hominem. . . .That's what Republicans ought to do and not attack her in a personal way, in any way."

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message about this country, its people and its history. The man can stand up and give a two hour discourse on his beliefs to a live audience straight from his heart, no notes, no teleprompter, nothing. Lets see Obama or anyone else do that

                      Oh please. That's a skill and a talent, it hardly is a mark of sainthood. Laurence Olivier used to pull off passionate three hour performances 8 times a week, without believing a word of what he was saying. That's what performers do. You sound like Oily talking about Obama.

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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                        Oakman wrote:

                        Limbaugh's voice serves Limbaugh - first, last, and always.

                        Sorry Oakman, this time Stan is right and you're dead wrong.

                        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                        Sorry Oakman, this time Stan is right and you're dead wrong

                        Mike, when you talk about insurance, I listen carefully, because you know more than I do. I spent the first 15 years of my adult life working in the performing arts - radio, TV, and live theatre. I know a shill when I see one.

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                        • M Mike Gaskey

                          Oakman wrote:

                          Limbaugh's voice serves Limbaugh - first, last, and always.

                          Sorry Oakman, this time Stan is right and you're dead wrong.

                          Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                          :laugh: I'm sorry, but you can't be serious. If you are serious, you should take the time to re-evaluate a few things about talk radio.

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                          • J JimmyRopes

                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            What have you heard Limbaugh say

                            He wants to buy some of those pain pills. :~

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                            JimmyRopes wrote:

                            He wants to buy some of those pain pills

                            And penis-pills, too.

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                              Stan Shannon wrote:

                              Rush is a big fan of Krauthammer ,as am I.

                              Then both of you should take his advice: "They should do nothing about rumors in liberal magazines about her intellectual capacity, nothing about her temperament, nothing ad hominem. . . .That's what Republicans ought to do and not attack her in a personal way, in any way."

                              Stan Shannon wrote:

                              But Limbaugh hold's an audience by passionantly articulating a very uplifting message about this country, its people and its history. The man can stand up and give a two hour discourse on his beliefs to a live audience straight from his heart, no notes, no teleprompter, nothing. Lets see Obama or anyone else do that

                              Oh please. That's a skill and a talent, it hardly is a mark of sainthood. Laurence Olivier used to pull off passionate three hour performances 8 times a week, without believing a word of what he was saying. That's what performers do. You sound like Oily talking about Obama.

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                              Oakman wrote:

                              They should do nothing about rumors in liberal magazines about her intellectual capacity, nothing about her temperament, nothing ad hominem. . . .That's what Republicans ought to do and not attack her in a personal way, in any way."

                              so who the hell is doing that?

                              Oakman wrote:

                              Oh please. That's a skill and a talent, it hardly is a mark of sainthood. Laurence Olivier used to pull off passionate three hour performances 8 times a week, without believing a word of what he was saying. That's what performers do.

                              Sorry, jon, the notion that Limbaugh is a fake is ridiculous. The man clearly believes in the things he says. Merely because the man has found a way to be paid for doing it is hardly a valid criticism.

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                              You sound like Oily talking about Obama.

                              Well, except that I wouldn't vote for Rush to be dog catcher. He is simply an articulate, passionate defender of conservative principles. In an age of such powerful leftist forces assaulting so many institutions in our society, it is hardly surprising that the modern phenomenon of talk radio would occur. Limbaugh is simply a guy that found a niche and exploited it by doing something he would be doing even if he were not being paid to.

                              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                Off the cuff...[^] The man clearly believes in what he says. Make all the jokes you like about drugs or divorces, you simply cannot take that away from him.

                                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                The man clearly believes in what he says.

                                Well, I believe that you believe he does, but that doesn't really mean it's true. You're not the most objective judge, seeing as how completely you buy into what he's selling. And jokes aside, he doesn't really walk the walk he talks, but damned if he's not good at making excuses about it. :laugh:

                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                Off the cuff...[^]

                                Big deal - that's his job. I've seen well-researched actors/radio personalities go on for hours at a time about various subjects they have absolutely no belief in if the money is right or if it creates the right amount of controversy. I don't consider this good evidence that he believes what he says, just that he's great at what he does - divisive rhetoric, being very knowledgeable about current events, and having an excellent knack for picking the issues that are most likely to resonate with his audience.

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                                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                                  The man clearly believes in what he says.

                                  Well, I believe that you believe he does, but that doesn't really mean it's true. You're not the most objective judge, seeing as how completely you buy into what he's selling. And jokes aside, he doesn't really walk the walk he talks, but damned if he's not good at making excuses about it. :laugh:

                                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                                  Off the cuff...[^]

                                  Big deal - that's his job. I've seen well-researched actors/radio personalities go on for hours at a time about various subjects they have absolutely no belief in if the money is right or if it creates the right amount of controversy. I don't consider this good evidence that he believes what he says, just that he's great at what he does - divisive rhetoric, being very knowledgeable about current events, and having an excellent knack for picking the issues that are most likely to resonate with his audience.

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                                  Fisticuffs wrote:

                                  divisive rhetoric

                                  Such as?

                                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                    Oakman wrote:

                                    They should do nothing about rumors in liberal magazines about her intellectual capacity, nothing about her temperament, nothing ad hominem. . . .That's what Republicans ought to do and not attack her in a personal way, in any way."

                                    so who the hell is doing that?

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                                    Oh please. That's a skill and a talent, it hardly is a mark of sainthood. Laurence Olivier used to pull off passionate three hour performances 8 times a week, without believing a word of what he was saying. That's what performers do.

                                    Sorry, jon, the notion that Limbaugh is a fake is ridiculous. The man clearly believes in the things he says. Merely because the man has found a way to be paid for doing it is hardly a valid criticism.

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                                    You sound like Oily talking about Obama.

                                    Well, except that I wouldn't vote for Rush to be dog catcher. He is simply an articulate, passionate defender of conservative principles. In an age of such powerful leftist forces assaulting so many institutions in our society, it is hardly surprising that the modern phenomenon of talk radio would occur. Limbaugh is simply a guy that found a niche and exploited it by doing something he would be doing even if he were not being paid to.

                                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    Sorry, jon, the notion that Limbaugh is a fake is ridiculous.

                                    For some reason, folks don't like it when they are told their god has feet of clay - whether it's Yaweh, Allah, Marx, Obama or Limbaugh. You'd think they'd be grateful. . .

                                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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                                      Fisticuffs wrote:

                                      divisive rhetoric

                                      Such as?

                                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                      Scrolling randomly, within 3 seconds [as a defense that "I want Obama to fail"] Did the Democrats want the war on Iraq to fail! CROWD: Yes! RUSH: They certainly did. They not only wanted the war in Iraq to fail, they proclaimed it a failure. US VS THEM! US VS THEM! US VS THEM! GOOOOOOOOO (true) REPUBLICANS! Now why don't you go ahead and complain that I took it out of context or there's some really subtle nuance in there or blah blah blah. Rush is a clown who spends his life watering down complex issues into LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE, and you're more than happy to order the Rush Limbaugh Inflatable Clown Nose(TM) to honk along when he says something that lets you keep believing that yes! there are good guys and bad guys and you're ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS. So go ahead - honk honk honk!

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                                        Scrolling randomly, within 3 seconds [as a defense that "I want Obama to fail"] Did the Democrats want the war on Iraq to fail! CROWD: Yes! RUSH: They certainly did. They not only wanted the war in Iraq to fail, they proclaimed it a failure. US VS THEM! US VS THEM! US VS THEM! GOOOOOOOOO (true) REPUBLICANS! Now why don't you go ahead and complain that I took it out of context or there's some really subtle nuance in there or blah blah blah. Rush is a clown who spends his life watering down complex issues into LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE, and you're more than happy to order the Rush Limbaugh Inflatable Clown Nose(TM) to honk along when he says something that lets you keep believing that yes! there are good guys and bad guys and you're ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS. So go ahead - honk honk honk!

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                                        So democrats proclaiming the war in Iraq a failure, screaming it at the top of their lungs, calling the president of the United States a liar on the senate floor, doing everything possible to undermine a military commitment they signed off on - none of that is divisive at all. But some clown on the radio truthfully commenting on their vitriole, now thats just going to damn far? Thats all you've got? That's Limbaugh's big crime? Actually, that is proof of precisely why Limbaugh is, in fact, so important. He is one of the few people with a national stage willing to stand up to the other side.

                                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                          So democrats proclaiming the war in Iraq a failure, screaming it at the top of their lungs, calling the president of the United States a liar on the senate floor, doing everything possible to undermine a military commitment they signed off on - none of that is divisive at all. But some clown on the radio truthfully commenting on their vitriole, now thats just going to damn far? Thats all you've got? That's Limbaugh's big crime? Actually, that is proof of precisely why Limbaugh is, in fact, so important. He is one of the few people with a national stage willing to stand up to the other side.

                                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                          Tu quoque? Honk honk honk!

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