Obama and science and of course fascist cronyism
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I don't think it would make any difference, if anything, a period of upheaval like that would cause the USD to drop internationally. I don't think the system could be changed at this point, there's too much invested in it working the way it does.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't think the system could be changed at this point, there's too much invested in it working the way it does.
It HAS to be changed if anyone ever cares to improve the society in which they live.
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Chris Austin wrote:
He is just too old to be viable for the next election and he is too much of a fiscal consecrative to get the neocon/republican nomination.
He doesn't need a nomination. People can vote for whoever they want to.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He doesn't need a nomination. People can vote for whoever they want to.
Without getting into state to state technicalities yes, you are correct. I am talking about getting somebody like him involved in the big debates. He was stonewalled from several of the debates during the primary season. If he can't get on the TV or do better marketing of his message he simply will not and can't win.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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It's inevitable that both sides of the political debate make excuses for their own broken promises, and hold the other side to standards their own candidates can't come close to living up to.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's inevitable that both sides of the political debate make excuses for their own broken promises, and hold the other side to standards their own candidates can't come close to living up to.
WTF?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Who would you support in the coming 2012 election?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who would you support in the coming 2012 election?
Sarah Palin, at this point anyway.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I don't think the system could be changed at this point, there's too much invested in it working the way it does.
It HAS to be changed if anyone ever cares to improve the society in which they live.
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Anything is possible. The bonds of society are only in our heads. They can be broken and rearranged at will.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who would you support in the coming 2012 election?
Sarah Palin, at this point anyway.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
She needs to get on board with abolishing the Federal Reserve and establishing an honest money system. We need a radical shove to solid original American values. Abolishing the Fed is a major step to that goal.
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Christian Graus wrote:
It's inevitable that both sides of the political debate make excuses for their own broken promises, and hold the other side to standards their own candidates can't come close to living up to.
WTF?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Exactly what I said. I have seen both sides of US politics do this. The other side is always pilloried for lack of perfection, and the mistakes of ones own side are excused as political reality.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question.
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Anything is possible. The bonds of society are only in our heads. They can be broken and rearranged at will.
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Now remember that Magic was going to take politics out of science and bring us all into a brave new world. Then realize that GE (who helped bring the 0 into power) is not into tidal or wave technology as a way of generating power. It also helps to know that Sarah Palin recommended both and that Alaska has a fair amount of coast line. Even more interesting is that 0, through executive fiat, is reducing the amount authorized by congress for tidal / wave technology.[^] Gosh, isn't it wonderful that we've a non-partisan in office now after that evil Bush regime?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Gosh, isn't it wonderful that we've a non-partisan in office now after that evil Bush Bushitler regime?
;) One of the most ironic sights I've ever seen was some honkin' big (and pointless) pickup "truck" (can a prettified truck really be called a truck?) with a "Bushitler" bumber sticker.
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Now remember that Magic was going to take politics out of science and bring us all into a brave new world. Then realize that GE (who helped bring the 0 into power) is not into tidal or wave technology as a way of generating power. It also helps to know that Sarah Palin recommended both and that Alaska has a fair amount of coast line. Even more interesting is that 0, through executive fiat, is reducing the amount authorized by congress for tidal / wave technology.[^] Gosh, isn't it wonderful that we've a non-partisan in office now after that evil Bush regime?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Now remember that Magic was going to take politics out of science and bring us all into a brave new world. Then realize that GE (who helped bring the 0 into power) is not into tidal or wave technology as a way of generating power. It also helps to know that Sarah Palin recommended both and that Alaska has a fair amount of coast line. Even more interesting is that 0, through executive fiat, is reducing the amount authorized by congress for tidal / wave technology.[^]
Truly fascinating. Also of interest is this from the original McClatchy article: "Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch, however, said the Obama administration is asking for 10 times more for tidal and wave power than the Bush administration did."
John Carson
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Exactly what I said. I have seen both sides of US politics do this. The other side is always pilloried for lack of perfection, and the mistakes of ones own side are excused as political reality.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question.
Christian Graus wrote:
the mistakes of ones own side are excused as political reality
so you classify a lie as a mistake thes days? I agree a lie is a mistake, but not in a context where someone ran on a platform of: science w/o politics, the end of politics as usual, ad nauseum.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Now remember that Magic was going to take politics out of science and bring us all into a brave new world. Then realize that GE (who helped bring the 0 into power) is not into tidal or wave technology as a way of generating power. It also helps to know that Sarah Palin recommended both and that Alaska has a fair amount of coast line. Even more interesting is that 0, through executive fiat, is reducing the amount authorized by congress for tidal / wave technology.[^]
Truly fascinating. Also of interest is this from the original McClatchy article: "Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch, however, said the Obama administration is asking for 10 times more for tidal and wave power than the Bush administration did."
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Truly fascinating. Also of interest is this from the original McClatchy article: "Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch, however, said the Obama administration is asking for 10 times more for tidal and wave power than the Bush administration did."
but immaterial, since: 1) we were to have science w/o politics, 2) congress authorized a funding level and magic cut it. #2 is arbitrary and exceeds his authority (but it doesn't mattter because it would take a congressional challenge) #1 shows him to be an out and out liar and pure Chicago politician.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ron Paul is where its at.
He is just too old to be viable for the next election and he is too much of a fiscal consecrative to get the neocon/republican nomination. That said, he is just about the only one who told the truth during the primary; no one but a few wanted to hear it.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
and he is too much of a fiscal consecrative to get the neocon/republican nomination
No, he's too libertarian.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Now remember that Magic was going to take politics out of science and bring us all into a brave new world. Then realize that GE (who helped bring the 0 into power) is not into tidal or wave technology as a way of generating power. It also helps to know that Sarah Palin recommended both and that Alaska has a fair amount of coast line. Even more interesting is that 0, through executive fiat, is reducing the amount authorized by congress for tidal / wave technology.[^] Gosh, isn't it wonderful that we've a non-partisan in office now after that evil Bush regime?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
All of these alternatives are nonsensical wastes of tax payers money in any case. The entire damn concept is a lie.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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All of these alternatives are nonsensical wastes of tax payers money in any case. The entire damn concept is a lie.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
All of these alternatives are nonsensical wastes of tax payers money in any case. The entire damn concept is a lie.
Yeah, we should give all that money to the church of Stan. You're the first person I think of when I want advice on engineering topics. :laugh:
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John Carson wrote:
Truly fascinating. Also of interest is this from the original McClatchy article: "Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch, however, said the Obama administration is asking for 10 times more for tidal and wave power than the Bush administration did."
but immaterial, since: 1) we were to have science w/o politics, 2) congress authorized a funding level and magic cut it. #2 is arbitrary and exceeds his authority (but it doesn't mattter because it would take a congressional challenge) #1 shows him to be an out and out liar and pure Chicago politician.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
but immaterial, since: 1) we were to have science w/o politics
What do you understand that to mean? Nothing coherent it seems. As near as I can determine, you think that "science w/o politics" means that the President agrees with the funding proposals of Congress. What that has to do with "science w/o politics" I can't imagine.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
- congress authorized a funding level and magic cut it. #2 is arbitrary and exceeds his authority
Obama has simply proposed a different level of funding in his budget to that passed earlier by Congress. It will only have effect if Congress is willing to pass the proposal. Claims of Obama exceeding his authority are just the usual wingnut rubbish.
John Carson
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
but immaterial, since: 1) we were to have science w/o politics
What do you understand that to mean? Nothing coherent it seems. As near as I can determine, you think that "science w/o politics" means that the President agrees with the funding proposals of Congress. What that has to do with "science w/o politics" I can't imagine.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
- congress authorized a funding level and magic cut it. #2 is arbitrary and exceeds his authority
Obama has simply proposed a different level of funding in his budget to that passed earlier by Congress. It will only have effect if Congress is willing to pass the proposal. Claims of Obama exceeding his authority are just the usual wingnut rubbish.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
What that has to do with "science w/o politics" I can't imagine.
Sorry, I thought you had more depth than that.
John Carson wrote:
Claims of Obama exceeding his authority are just the usual wingnut rubbish.
read that in a book, did you?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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John Carson wrote:
What that has to do with "science w/o politics" I can't imagine.
Sorry, I thought you had more depth than that.
John Carson wrote:
Claims of Obama exceeding his authority are just the usual wingnut rubbish.
read that in a book, did you?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
read that in a book, did you?
No, I read the article that you indirectly linked to, which concerned Obama's budget proposal. A President proposing a budget is a perfectly normal constitutional practice. Your claims that Obama exceeding his authority by reducing a budget allocation by "executive fiat" have no basis in the source material you cited. Accordingly, I conclude on the evidence that you are talking rubbish, and I have noted over many years that people of your ideology often do.
John Carson