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    Physics Question of the day I've been thinking a little bit about magnetics, and can't work out the answer to a question I thought of: Is it possible to project a magnetic field? If so, how would I go about understanding the theory behind it? I've come across this web-page, but it doesn't seem to explain how it works

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      Physics Question of the day I've been thinking a little bit about magnetics, and can't work out the answer to a question I thought of: Is it possible to project a magnetic field? If so, how would I go about understanding the theory behind it? I've come across this web-page, but it doesn't seem to explain how it works

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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field[^]

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        Physics Question of the day I've been thinking a little bit about magnetics, and can't work out the answer to a question I thought of: Is it possible to project a magnetic field? If so, how would I go about understanding the theory behind it? I've come across this web-page, but it doesn't seem to explain how it works

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        Computafreak wrote:

        project a magnetic field?

        Looking at that page, I think I'd quibble with their terminology - 'project'? Nah - they're just doing the 'show the shape of a magnetic field with iron filings' thing - the magnetic field isn't projected per se, it's just a result of the varying/moving charge in the conductors they're using. It's all just E-M theory, man. Of course, Maxwell's probably spinning in his grave at that 'explanation'.

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          Physics Question of the day I've been thinking a little bit about magnetics, and can't work out the answer to a question I thought of: Is it possible to project a magnetic field? If so, how would I go about understanding the theory behind it? I've come across this web-page, but it doesn't seem to explain how it works

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          That shows the field around a wire, the two 'legs' appear to be jets of iron particles beign fired from nozzles.

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            Physics Question of the day I've been thinking a little bit about magnetics, and can't work out the answer to a question I thought of: Is it possible to project a magnetic field? If so, how would I go about understanding the theory behind it? I've come across this web-page, but it doesn't seem to explain how it works

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            Basically any metallic object carrying some form of electricity will have a magnetic field around it. The movement of the flow of electrons through the meduim will generate the field. The stronger the flow the greater the field. If you want to test the theory maybe make a basic electro magnet ( nail wrapped up with a single long thin strand of wire ). Hook the ends of the wire up to some form of variable power supply and do the old iron filings and paper experiment. Adjust the power settings to expand and contract the field.

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              Basically any metallic object carrying some form of electricity will have a magnetic field around it. The movement of the flow of electrons through the meduim will generate the field. The stronger the flow the greater the field. If you want to test the theory maybe make a basic electro magnet ( nail wrapped up with a single long thin strand of wire ). Hook the ends of the wire up to some form of variable power supply and do the old iron filings and paper experiment. Adjust the power settings to expand and contract the field.

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              Thanks for the explanation. I know it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

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                Thanks for the explanation. I know it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

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                It's a long time since I did my physics A-Level but I don't think you can project a magnetic field in the way that you're describing. You can magnetise an object but you need to do that by passing it through a magnetic field which means there's so there's an element of work involved which 'projection' wouldn't provide.

                It definitely isn't definatley

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                  It's a long time since I did my physics A-Level but I don't think you can project a magnetic field in the way that you're describing. You can magnetise an object but you need to do that by passing it through a magnetic field which means there's so there's an element of work involved which 'projection' wouldn't provide.

                  It definitely isn't definatley

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                  Ah, thanks. I'm beginning to wish that I had taken Physics last year now - it would certainly be a lot more interesting than my Geography A-level!

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                    Thanks for the explanation. I know it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

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                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                    Computafreak wrote:

                    it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

                    I'm quite confident of the impossibility of that short of transferring the EM field to the other nail and that would require the electricity flowing in the wires around the original nail to be moved to the other nail. The only perverted way of doing something similar to what you are saying is to inflict some sort of magnetism into the intended object, either by making it a permanent magnet or temporary one for your purposes.

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                      Ah, thanks. I'm beginning to wish that I had taken Physics last year now - it would certainly be a lot more interesting than my Geography A-level!

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                      Watching Paint Dry or Grass Grow is more interesting than a Geographt A-Level! :)

                      ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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                        Watching Paint Dry or Grass Grow is more interesting than a Geographt A-Level! :)

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                        That's true. I've not had a single fieldwork trip this school year; two were promised. Not a good sign when there are two 15-mark questions on the exam paper on 'how would you set up a fieldwork trip?' Just to give you an idea of the pain, I've been learning about how GW is completely true, about rebranding, globalisation, natural hazards, and extreme weather. The extreme weather unit is the single part which could have been useful, and the teacher wasn't there. I wasted a quarter of a year on this subject, and a year of my life at this school

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                          Computafreak wrote:

                          it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

                          I'm quite confident of the impossibility of that short of transferring the EM field to the other nail and that would require the electricity flowing in the wires around the original nail to be moved to the other nail. The only perverted way of doing something similar to what you are saying is to inflict some sort of magnetism into the intended object, either by making it a permanent magnet or temporary one for your purposes.

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                          Ah well. Thanks anyway. The idea of inducing a magnetic polarity onto an object sounds intriguing though - I'll look into that

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                            Thanks for the explanation. I know it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

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                            Computafreak wrote:

                            giving it it's own 'copy'

                            Would that be a shallow clone, or a deep clone? - I think you've been coding too long!

                            Dave
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                              Computafreak wrote:

                              it's quite common to have a magnetic field around an object, but I'm interested into projecting it to another object. For example, I could be generating a magnetic field using the nail you specified, but projecting it onto another nail, giving it it's own 'copy' of the original nail's magnetic field

                              I'm quite confident of the impossibility of that short of transferring the EM field to the other nail and that would require the electricity flowing in the wires around the original nail to be moved to the other nail. The only perverted way of doing something similar to what you are saying is to inflict some sort of magnetism into the intended object, either by making it a permanent magnet or temporary one for your purposes.

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                              Couldn't you redirect the output from the nacelles through the Heisenberg Compensators to project a false Magnetic field in the Anteres Cluster? Nurse, Nurse! the pills are wearing off!

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                                Ah well. Thanks anyway. The idea of inducing a magnetic polarity onto an object sounds intriguing though - I'll look into that

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                                No worries dude :) I'm only an ECE and I'm counting on the Physics I took back in my undergrad, but I'm quite confident of what I've just informed you. You might want to talk to Chris "Random Brownian Motion" Austin, Dalek "Supernova" Dave or Chris "The Fat Controller" Maunder. If I'm not mistaken, the first two have Physics for university degrees. Chris Maunder is a Physicist in disguise too.

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                                  Couldn't you redirect the output from the nacelles through the Heisenberg Compensators to project a false Magnetic field in the Anteres Cluster? Nurse, Nurse! the pills are wearing off!

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                                  Whoa! Nurse! Frog pills, STAT! Can you back me up on what I said or refute it?

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                                    Couldn't you redirect the output from the nacelles through the Heisenberg Compensators to project a false Magnetic field in the Anteres Cluster? Nurse, Nurse! the pills are wearing off!

                                    ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Nurse, Nurse! the pills are wearing off!

                                    100mg bigwordmedicine! Someone loosen his wallet!


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                                      Computafreak wrote:

                                      giving it it's own 'copy'

                                      Would that be a shallow clone, or a deep clone? - I think you've been coding too long!

                                      Dave
                                      BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
                                      Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
                                      Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)

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                                      0x3c0
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                                      Oddly enough, that was exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote it

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                                        Computafreak wrote:

                                        project a magnetic field?

                                        Looking at that page, I think I'd quibble with their terminology - 'project'? Nah - they're just doing the 'show the shape of a magnetic field with iron filings' thing - the magnetic field isn't projected per se, it's just a result of the varying/moving charge in the conductors they're using. It's all just E-M theory, man. Of course, Maxwell's probably spinning in his grave at that 'explanation'.

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                                        Stuart Dootson wrote:

                                        Of course, Maxwell's probably spinning in his grave at that 'explanation'.

                                        Hey, if we wrap him in wire and put magents on both sides of him, we can make a generator. :)

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                                          Stuart Dootson wrote:

                                          Of course, Maxwell's probably spinning in his grave at that 'explanation'.

                                          Hey, if we wrap him in wire and put magents on both sides of him, we can make a generator. :)

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                                          :laugh: 5'ed

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