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    I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

    Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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      I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

      Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      Ok your site is not working on Safari in Mac, Are you going to buy a Mac to test it? I think it may have to do with the browser version.

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        I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

        Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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        It's not butter.[^] Come on, you knew that was coming.

        Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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          I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

          Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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          VM anyone?

          Best wishes, Hans


          [Hans Dietrich Software]

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            It's not butter.[^] Come on, you knew that was coming.

            Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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            Christopher Duncan
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            It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. :)

            Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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              VM anyone?

              Best wishes, Hans


              [Hans Dietrich Software]

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              Christopher Duncan
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              Normally, yeah. But Vista's Aero doesn't work in Virtual PC.

              Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                Normally, yeah. But Vista's Aero doesn't work in Virtual PC.

                Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                Hans Dietrich
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                Works fine in VMWare. :)

                Best wishes, Hans


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                  It's not butter.[^] Come on, you knew that was coming.

                  Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                  Dan Neely
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                  ... any fool could mistake it for butter.

                  It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

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                    Works fine in VMWare. :)

                    Best wishes, Hans


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                    Christopher Duncan
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                    Really? I've been using VPC for some time since it's free and I never found a compelling reason to pay for VMWare. If you get the full Vista experience on it, then perhaps I've finally found my wallet.

                    Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                      Works fine in VMWare. :)

                      Best wishes, Hans


                      [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                      Seriously, does it? As per my knowledge no VMs yet support WDDM so Aero glass effect does not work anywhere.

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                        Really? I've been using VPC for some time since it's free and I never found a compelling reason to pay for VMWare. If you get the full Vista experience on it, then perhaps I've finally found my wallet.

                        Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                        I was going to use VPC, too, until I read what people were saying about it on the VMWare forums. I think MS did VMWare a real favor by putting out such a piece of junk. My Vista .vmdk files are less than 1GB. It's so nice to be able to install the latest IE in a VM without worrying about how badly your system is going to be hosed. I can get rid of the latest MS crapware faster than I can flush the toilet.

                        Best wishes, Hans


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                          Works fine in VMWare. :)

                          Best wishes, Hans


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                          Are you sure? I thought it only worked under VMWare if the host OS was also Vista?

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                            Normally, yeah. But Vista's Aero doesn't work in Virtual PC.

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                            Everyone knows VPC is for the birds! Even Bing knows this[^] :)

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                              Normally, yeah. But Vista's Aero doesn't work in Virtual PC.

                              Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                              Christopher Duncan wrote:

                              Vista's Aero

                              Ok I am confused now. What has Aero to do with your issue? All you need is to run the browser to test your site. Whether the browser window itself appears pretty or not should not have anything to do with the problem.

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                                Normally, yeah. But Vista's Aero doesn't work in Virtual PC.

                                Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                Works fine in VirtualBox...

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                                  I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

                                  Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                  I have been doing ASP.Net for 8 years now. The session state has nothing to do with the Operating System. By Default Session objects are stored in memory in the ASPNet worker process. It has nothing to do with the client at all. Behind the scenes an identifier is used to determine the sessionId (and get the session information for the specific id browser) on each post back. This sessionId is usually stored as a cookie. If you set cookieless to true in the web.config the sessionId is stored in the query string and will disrupt the browsers ability to cache the page. So if during every postback the session information gets lost, one of two things is happening. The id is not being retrieved via the cookie. The browser may have cookies disabled. Or the apsnet worker process is recycled. This does occur normally and when you recycle the application pool.

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                                    I pushed a major overhaul of my business site night before last, and asked a few friends to bang on it to help flush out anything terribly embarrassing before I started a new promotion plan. I routinely test in IE7,8 and FF 3, then go back and do a sanity check on Safari and Chrome. All this happens in XP, as that's what all my machines are running. A friend emails me to say that a data entry form isn't working, i.e. he gets a validation prompt to enter text that his screen shot shows is clearly there. It's also clear from the shot that he's running Vista. Under the hood, the edit field is being compared to a session variable. Works in all the scenarios I test in but under Vista, for some reason, said session variable is blank. I switch it to a hidden text field, and everything works just fine. Conjure up the most offensive, politically incorrect, kid sister unfriendly phrases you can think of, and just imagine you heard me utter them with great enthusiasm. Bloody hell, session variables work everywhere else but not in Vista? I'm sure Rod Serling is sitting around the corner sipping cappuccino and having quite a chuckle at my current reality. This scenario seems completely unlikely and yet, that's the results I got. Session variables being a well used part of this system, I now have to install Vista and VS on a box so that I can test / debug other areas where I use them to see what the heck is going on. And so, I find myself fishing out those dusty old Vista installation disks and checking the cupboard to make sure I have an adequate supply of rum to ease the pain. I can handle html displaying differently in different browsers, but when server side stuff quits working depending on the OS... well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

                                    Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                    Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                    well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

                                    Windows Vista Rum Edition

                                    • Easier installation! (just twist off the cap and pour)
                                    • Better User Experience! (intense colors and visualizations)
                                    • Be more productive! (You didn't know what you were doing anyway, so being passed out is a real productivity booster for those of us that don't have to fix the stuff you screwed up!)
                                    • Improved Customer Satisfaction! (when you're hammered, you don't care that things are broke)

                                    System Requirements: Users must be 21 years of age or older. Use only Windows Vista Rum Edition compatible shot glass.


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                                      I have been doing ASP.Net for 8 years now. The session state has nothing to do with the Operating System. By Default Session objects are stored in memory in the ASPNet worker process. It has nothing to do with the client at all. Behind the scenes an identifier is used to determine the sessionId (and get the session information for the specific id browser) on each post back. This sessionId is usually stored as a cookie. If you set cookieless to true in the web.config the sessionId is stored in the query string and will disrupt the browsers ability to cache the page. So if during every postback the session information gets lost, one of two things is happening. The id is not being retrieved via the cookie. The browser may have cookies disabled. Or the apsnet worker process is recycled. This does occur normally and when you recycle the application pool.

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                                      ToddHileHoffer wrote:

                                      The id is not being retrieved via the cookie. The browser may have cookies disabled.

                                      That had happened to me, IMHO that's the most common cause. You can try to run your site with the following config:

                                      <sessionState cookieless="AutoDetect">
                                      </sessionState>

                                      More info here[^]

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                                        Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                        well, maybe I'll have that rum first.

                                        Windows Vista Rum Edition

                                        • Easier installation! (just twist off the cap and pour)
                                        • Better User Experience! (intense colors and visualizations)
                                        • Be more productive! (You didn't know what you were doing anyway, so being passed out is a real productivity booster for those of us that don't have to fix the stuff you screwed up!)
                                        • Improved Customer Satisfaction! (when you're hammered, you don't care that things are broke)

                                        System Requirements: Users must be 21 years of age or older. Use only Windows Vista Rum Edition compatible shot glass.


                                        :..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
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                                        Douglas Troy wrote:

                                        Use only Windows Vista Rum Edition compatible shot glass.

                                        Glass? Who uses a glass?

                                        Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                          Douglas Troy wrote:

                                          Use only Windows Vista Rum Edition compatible shot glass.

                                          Glass? Who uses a glass?

                                          Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                          Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                          Glass? Who uses a glass?

                                          Is that what they mean by "Open Source" ... no wonder so many people like it and think it's great. :rolleyes:


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