"The" Speech
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen, that he can stare down the Israeli lobby groups, and that he is prepared to reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is worth a salute. Whether it gets beyond the talking shops and becomes any form of reality is another matter, and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned. I wish him luck of it.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Because you don't support your President does not make his tenure illigal.
Nope, it sure doesn't. Whatever "illigal" is... :rolleyes:
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BoneSoft wrote:
Nope, it sure doesn't.
so ... you're saying he is ligal?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Because you don't support your President does not make his tenure illigal.
Nope, it sure doesn't. Whatever "illigal" is... :rolleyes:
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Badly spelt illegal
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen, that he can stare down the Israeli lobby groups, and that he is prepared to reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is worth a salute. Whether it gets beyond the talking shops and becomes any form of reality is another matter, and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned. I wish him luck of it.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
I wish him luck of it
Are you sure? He doesn't like Luton you know!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I wish him luck of it
Are you sure? He doesn't like Luton you know!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nobody likes Luton :(( I only live here because of work. And the Footy Team is useless!
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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BoneSoft wrote:
Nope, it sure doesn't.
so ... you're saying he is ligal?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I didn't say that either. I don't know if he's ligal or not.
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Badly spelt illegal
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Thanks for pointing out what I just pointed out... Are you sure I'm the retard?
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Nobody likes Luton :(( I only live here because of work. And the Footy Team is useless!
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
I spent an entire day there. Fraking delays!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen, that he can stare down the Israeli lobby groups, and that he is prepared to reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is worth a salute. Whether it gets beyond the talking shops and becomes any form of reality is another matter, and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned. I wish him luck of it.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is
I hesitate to question you, since the British and French wrote the book on colonial imperialism, but just exactly how do you see America as being colonial?
Dalek Dave wrote:
That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen
Yeah, that's great. I hope at some point he tries it at home too.
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You do realise that by admitting that the US President was correct in acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America that you are threatening the stability of the entire free world? ;)
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
You do realise that by admitting that the US President was correct in acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America that you are threatening the stability of the entire free world?
You are wrong. There were always two countries outside America. 1) Canada 2) Mexico ;P
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
You do realise that by admitting that the US President was correct in acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America that you are threatening the stability of the entire free world?
You are wrong. There were always two countries outside America. 1) Canada 2) Mexico ;P
Nah, nobody thinks about Canada. But I have heard rumor that there are some countries south of Mexico. And it turns out that Mexico stretches a long damn ways down there too.
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That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen, that he can stare down the Israeli lobby groups, and that he is prepared to reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is worth a salute. Whether it gets beyond the talking shops and becomes any form of reality is another matter, and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned. I wish him luck of it.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned.
And the enlightened self-interest of all, as well.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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I spent an entire day there. Fraking delays!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Wow! :thumbsup:
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Thanks for pointing out what I just pointed out... Are you sure I'm the retard?
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A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president. B) Acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America? Call your pharmacists and tell him something has gone horribly wrong. C) I don't know if you've noticed, but the free world is already on pretty shaky ground at the moment.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
How dare you even think that. He does not need a valid birth certificate to be our president. Valid identification is only for peons like us.
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And what led you to that conclusion? The fact that you disagree with me? With no logical justification, you're powers of deduction are now in question. Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
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And what led you to that conclusion? The fact that you disagree with me? With no logical justification, you're powers of deduction are now in question. Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I'm a proud denizen of the Real Soapbox[^]
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
:laugh: I am staying out of the fight. :) But, I may have found some new sig material. No offense directed to you bones as I am the king of typos.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I'm a proud denizen of the Real Soapbox[^]
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated.
What name was that Pot? I didn't call you a name.
Tim Craig wrote:
You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine.
I don't listen to talk radio.
Tim Craig wrote:
But when you claim you're oh so moderate
When have I said that? I defy you to find an instance of me saying that.
Tim Craig wrote:
ready to listen and learn
I am.
Tim Craig wrote:
call everyone who disagrees with you a troll
Hmm... I've called maybe 3 people here a troll. And only one recently, who happens to be a troll. Again I don't know what you're using to invent your misguided perception of me, but it ain't reality.
Tim Craig wrote:
it's really hard to take you very seriously
Ah, now it's my turn to boohoo. :zzz:
Tim Craig wrote:
Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"embrace greet"? What the hell is that? Say and think whatever your little heart desires, I am no troll. Though I have noticed you doing some bating lately come to think of it Pot. You posted nothing correct or useful. But thanks for playing.
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
It was a very good speech