"The" Speech
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
You do realise that by admitting that the US President was correct in acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America that you are threatening the stability of the entire free world?
You are wrong. There were always two countries outside America. 1) Canada 2) Mexico ;P
Nah, nobody thinks about Canada. But I have heard rumor that there are some countries south of Mexico. And it turns out that Mexico stretches a long damn ways down there too.
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That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen, that he can stare down the Israeli lobby groups, and that he is prepared to reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is worth a salute. Whether it gets beyond the talking shops and becomes any form of reality is another matter, and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned. I wish him luck of it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
and one that relies on the goodwill of all concerned.
And the enlightened self-interest of all, as well.
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I spent an entire day there. Fraking delays!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Wow! :thumbsup:
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Thanks for pointing out what I just pointed out... Are you sure I'm the retard?
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A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president. B) Acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America? Call your pharmacists and tell him something has gone horribly wrong. C) I don't know if you've noticed, but the free world is already on pretty shaky ground at the moment.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
How dare you even think that. He does not need a valid birth certificate to be our president. Valid identification is only for peons like us.
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And what led you to that conclusion? The fact that you disagree with me? With no logical justification, you're powers of deduction are now in question. Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
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And what led you to that conclusion? The fact that you disagree with me? With no logical justification, you're powers of deduction are now in question. Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
:laugh: I am staying out of the fight. :) But, I may have found some new sig material. No offense directed to you bones as I am the king of typos.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you're powers of deduction
Yes, I am powers of deduction.
BoneSoft wrote:
Luckily you're not the gold standard for mental health and strength.
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated. You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine. You're not the only one to do that. But when you claim you're oh so moderate and ready to listen and learn and call everyone who disagrees with you a troll, it's really hard to take you very seriously. Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I'm a proud denizen of the Real Soapbox[^]
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Boohoo, little shrivelled up BonerSoft called me a name. I'm devastated.
What name was that Pot? I didn't call you a name.
Tim Craig wrote:
You come in here and spew all sorts of crap you've gleaned from right wing talk radio which is fine.
I don't listen to talk radio.
Tim Craig wrote:
But when you claim you're oh so moderate
When have I said that? I defy you to find an instance of me saying that.
Tim Craig wrote:
ready to listen and learn
I am.
Tim Craig wrote:
call everyone who disagrees with you a troll
Hmm... I've called maybe 3 people here a troll. And only one recently, who happens to be a troll. Again I don't know what you're using to invent your misguided perception of me, but it ain't reality.
Tim Craig wrote:
it's really hard to take you very seriously
Ah, now it's my turn to boohoo. :zzz:
Tim Craig wrote:
Look deeply in your mirror and embrace greet your inner troll.
"embrace greet"? What the hell is that? Say and think whatever your little heart desires, I am no troll. Though I have noticed you doing some bating lately come to think of it Pot. You posted nothing correct or useful. But thanks for playing.
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
It was a very good speech
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Dalek Dave wrote:
reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is
I hesitate to question you, since the British and French wrote the book on colonial imperialism, but just exactly how do you see America as being colonial?
Dalek Dave wrote:
That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen
Yeah, that's great. I hope at some point he tries it at home too.
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Coke, Starbucks, McDonalds, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Illegal Wars, Friendly Fire, Flouridisation of Water, Dumming Down (ref Flouride in Water), Property Crash, Bad Spelling, Bad Grammar, Obesity, Budweiser (itself a crime against humanity), etc etc :)
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A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president. B) Acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America? Call your pharmacists and tell him something has gone horribly wrong. C) I don't know if you've noticed, but the free world is already on pretty shaky ground at the moment.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
I figured it was still contested by the Bush-is-the-anti-Christ crowd. Still, even if there's room for contention on the first election, I don't think Gore won it any more than Bush did. I do so wish that just once we could have a clean honest election without all the BS. And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
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Coke, Starbucks, McDonalds, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Illegal Wars, Friendly Fire, Flouridisation of Water, Dumming Down (ref Flouride in Water), Property Crash, Bad Spelling, Bad Grammar, Obesity, Budweiser (itself a crime against humanity), etc etc :)
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
OK, but most of that wasn't the governments fault. And though we excel at them, we didn't invent nor do we exactly have a monopoly on bad spelling, bad grammar, illegal wars, friendly fire or obesity. And I'd probably argue with you on the point of grammar anyway.
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Coke, Starbucks, McDonalds, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Illegal Wars, Friendly Fire, Flouridisation of Water, Dumming Down (ref Flouride in Water), Property Crash, Bad Spelling, Bad Grammar, Obesity, Budweiser (itself a crime against humanity), etc etc :)
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
Dumming Down
:rolleyes:
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I figured it was still contested by the Bush-is-the-anti-Christ crowd. Still, even if there's room for contention on the first election, I don't think Gore won it any more than Bush did. I do so wish that just once we could have a clean honest election without all the BS. And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
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BoneSoft wrote:
And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
Boney, if the worst thing about Obama is the possibility that he was not born on American soil then we have no problems at all. Whether he was born, naturalized, or is an illegal alien is yesterday's battle. Rehashing it now is like the Dems arguing about whether the Surpemes gave the election to Bush. A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Coke, Starbucks, McDonalds, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, Smith and Wesson, Colt, Illegal Wars, Friendly Fire, Flouridisation of Water, Dumming Down (ref Flouride in Water), Property Crash, Bad Spelling, Bad Grammar, Obesity, Budweiser (itself a crime against humanity), etc etc :)
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
itself a crime against humanity
None of the above compare with Doctor Who which is a crime against the universe.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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It was a very good speech
Bassam Saoud wrote:
It was a very good speech
I agree. It was a B+. Given the tightrope he had to walk, that is impressive.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
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Christian Graus wrote:
Bush actually won his second term,
He won the first one also, regardless of the democrats illegal and unconstitutional attempt to steal it. Buy, hey, nice try keeping the lie alive.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
This speech was virtually indistinquishable from any number that Bush gave on the same subject. Yes, Obama is more hostile to Israel, the only people in that region who don't want to kill us, than Bush, but that is a very, very, bad thing. Obama believes he has some magical power to compel by the power of his personality and his self proclaimed intellect. And I'm sure the Muslims will be more than happy to let him keep right on believing that as they play him like a fiddle.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.