"The" Speech
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Dalek Dave wrote:
reverse 50 years of American Colonialism is
I hesitate to question you, since the British and French wrote the book on colonial imperialism, but just exactly how do you see America as being colonial?
Dalek Dave wrote:
That he is brave enough to start a dialogue, and willing to listen
Yeah, that's great. I hope at some point he tries it at home too.
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A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president. B) Acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America? Call your pharmacists and tell him something has gone horribly wrong. C) I don't know if you've noticed, but the free world is already on pretty shaky ground at the moment.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
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I figured it was still contested by the Bush-is-the-anti-Christ crowd. Still, even if there's room for contention on the first election, I don't think Gore won it any more than Bush did. I do so wish that just once we could have a clean honest election without all the BS. And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
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OK, but most of that wasn't the governments fault. And though we excel at them, we didn't invent nor do we exactly have a monopoly on bad spelling, bad grammar, illegal wars, friendly fire or obesity. And I'd probably argue with you on the point of grammar anyway.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Dumming Down
:rolleyes:
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I figured it was still contested by the Bush-is-the-anti-Christ crowd. Still, even if there's room for contention on the first election, I don't think Gore won it any more than Bush did. I do so wish that just once we could have a clean honest election without all the BS. And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
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BoneSoft wrote:
And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
Boney, if the worst thing about Obama is the possibility that he was not born on American soil then we have no problems at all. Whether he was born, naturalized, or is an illegal alien is yesterday's battle. Rehashing it now is like the Dems arguing about whether the Surpemes gave the election to Bush. A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
itself a crime against humanity
None of the above compare with Doctor Who which is a crime against the universe.
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It was a very good speech
Bassam Saoud wrote:
It was a very good speech
I agree. It was a B+. Given the tightrope he had to walk, that is impressive.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
Bush actually won his second term, so you've not had an illegal president for some time
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Christian Graus wrote:
Bush actually won his second term,
He won the first one also, regardless of the democrats illegal and unconstitutional attempt to steal it. Buy, hey, nice try keeping the lie alive.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
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This speech was virtually indistinquishable from any number that Bush gave on the same subject. Yes, Obama is more hostile to Israel, the only people in that region who don't want to kill us, than Bush, but that is a very, very, bad thing. Obama believes he has some magical power to compel by the power of his personality and his self proclaimed intellect. And I'm sure the Muslims will be more than happy to let him keep right on believing that as they play him like a fiddle.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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BoneSoft wrote:
And he was still capable of legally holding that office, regardless of whether or not the election was clean.
Boney, if the worst thing about Obama is the possibility that he was not born on American soil then we have no problems at all. Whether he was born, naturalized, or is an illegal alien is yesterday's battle. Rehashing it now is like the Dems arguing about whether the Surpemes gave the election to Bush. A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
I disagree, it's a huge problem. Even if he does fit the Constitutional requirement, it's still a problem that you can run, be elected and sworn in, without ever producing the documentation to prove yourself eligible. And that's just the best case scenario. Think about what it means if he doesn't meet the requirement. That would mean that the entire structure allowed the Constitution to be completely ignored. The DNC, the media, Congress, the Supreme Court, etc... If he's not eligible, we'd better not ever find out, which thanks to his many legal teams fighting the various cases we likely won't every know. Throwing him out of office would cause many very large problems, and leaving him in office would as well. And again, if it's not a big deal, then were's the document? We deserve to see it, and we should have before now. Just the fact that there is a question is big.
Oakman wrote:
if the worst thing about Obama is the possibility that he was not born on American soil then we have no problems at all.
And if it's not? Then all could have been avoided by enforcing the Constitution, without which we aren't who we thought we were all along.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
itself a crime against humanity
None of the above compare with Doctor Who which is a crime against the universe.
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And the Spice Girls, and The Office, and bad teeth, and... Damn, that's all I can think of. Actually, the Brits gave us Iron Maiden, all is forgiven.
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Bush was a natural born citizen. Ya know, like the Constitution requires? And however suspect those elections may have been, this last one certainly didn't improve on transparency and honesty. So, what exactly am I missing that I need to wake up and realize?
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BoneSoft wrote:
Bush was a natural born citizen.
This is the song that doesn't end, it just goes on and on my friend...
But it's important! And it pisses me off.
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A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president. B) Acknowledging the existence of countries outside of America? Call your pharmacists and tell him something has gone horribly wrong. C) I don't know if you've noticed, but the free world is already on pretty shaky ground at the moment.
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BoneSoft wrote:
A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
What! The Reader of the Free World is illegally occupying the office? Goodness, wasn't I told in this very forum to shut-up about that question?
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But it's important! And it pisses me off.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
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So, basically you're saying that in giving the world what it wants and freely chooses, the US is "colonialist" and "imperialistic," right?
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BoneSoft wrote:
A) The US doesn't currently have a president, you mean the guy currently illegally holding the office of president.
What! The Reader of the Free World is illegally occupying the office? Goodness, wasn't I told in this very forum to shut-up about that question?
Probably, I am every time I bring it up. Funny thing about that question. It's the only way I know to guarantee you'll get a "shut up".
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Eh, there's always something like that. As someone else mentioned, there are still folks upset about the first GWB election. But it's over, ancient history. Time to move on...
I know, eventually I'll have to let it go, because nothing will be done about it. Which pisses me off most. But it really is important[^].
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I watched all 56 minutes of it and, all the whole I was impressed. I've heard him speak more eloquently, and I've heard say things I felt better about than what I heard to day, but he wasn't talking to me and he wasn't really talking to America. I think he got across the message he needed to. Instead he was speaking for America - and before whining starts, the answer is around 60% of the American voters said he could, that's who. He occasionally irritated me as when he claimed that our bribing a bunch of insurrectionists to switch sides back in the 50's could be deemed the moral equivalent of being the greatest sponsor of terrorism on the face of the planet, but on the whole he spoke truth to people who didn't necessarily want to hear it. (When he said that the two major factions of of Arabic Islam needed to work out their differences, there was thunderous silence that echoed in the room.) Sometimes he spoke this truth to the Middle-Eastern Muslims, sometimes he spoke it to Israel (Finally, an American President not afraid of the "Jewish Vote," and willing to remind Israel that they are bought and paid for.) I believe he went over there to say something along the lines of "whatever the past, let's start working towards a future of coexistence and respect." He didn't say it in a way that would seem weak to the macho cultures of the Middle East and he made it clear that Holocaust denial was not acceptable, any more than any bullshit justification of 9/11 was. Now it's up to the Middle Easterners. As I said yesterday, they need to reclaim their manhood and stop playing the role of victim, however much that might justify cowardly attacks against women and children, and however much it might provide an excuse for not getting off their ass and working towards a better future. For the sake of their grand-kids, and my grand-kids, I hope they do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin