so how is that hope and change working out for you
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids?
Lebanese Muslims, according to reports.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
The police only act when people complain. Allegedly, most of the attacks are never reported to police. But complaints about police inaction are a staple of politics, in Australia and many other places. Maybe the police lack resources, maybe they want an easy life, maybe they are afraid of igniting conflict with particular ethnic groups, maybe they are poorly led...
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John Carson wrote:
The police only act when people complain. Allegedly, most of the attacks are never reported to police. But complaints about police inaction are a staple of politics, in Australia and many other places. Maybe the police lack resources, maybe they want an easy life, maybe they are afraid of igniting conflict with particular ethnic groups, maybe they are poorly led...
Its a given that police must act upon a complaint. I find it sad though that a police force is so impotent. Slightly OT: I wish Illion would read this. This is a response, something that has backing to it, not like his post.
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Oakman wrote:
Is there anyone one in Oz who has a more jaundiced view of the man?
I can assure you Jon the majority of us don't really give half a shit about our own politics let alone yours. This place is so US centric these days that for the rest of us we end up with a choice of discussing your politics or nothing.
Josh Gray wrote:
This place is so US centric these days that for the rest of us we end up with a choice of discussing your politics or nothing
It's US centric because US citizens talk about their politics. On the other hand almost every discussion of football I've seen in here has not been about the American version which suggests that when those of you hailing from the far sides of the puddles care about something you will talk about it whether the USAians do or not.
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My mentee from last year was a quiet Indian student, and he was assaulted and robbed here in Brisbane for his wallet and mobile phone... I'd have to say that for the large proportion of Indian students that I have met, they do provide a target for scumbags, due to their soft-spoken nature and reluctance (generally) to fight back...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
I'd have to say that for the large proportion of Indian students that I have met, they do provide a target for scumbags, due to their soft-spoken nature and reluctance (generally) to fight back...
And the fact that the gangs know that most inhabitants of Australia are unarmed. A few years back Florida was suddenly beset by a number of car-jacking/robberies of tourists shortly after they left the airport. Turns out they were identified by the rent-a-car stickers on their vehicles and targetted by Hispanic gangs because Florida had just passed a concealed carry law. But tourists fresh off the plane would be unarmed so they were fair game. These days if you rent a car at the airport, there's no identifying marks on it to advertisie your unarmed status.
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Oh man, you really don't want to get too involved in Arab politics. It'll give you a whopping headache by the time you grasp a bit of it. Complicated, does not begin to describe it and yet, it can be easily expressed by saying that the majority of the leaders are influenced by their own greed and extreme polarization of the population into many factions.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
it can be easily expressed by saying that the majority of the leaders are influenced by their own greed and extreme polarization of the population into many factions.
There you go, talking about American politics again. :laugh:
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You have Muslims from all over the world. Stereo-typing them as Middle Easterners is a sign of lack of knowledge and understanding. In addition, you cannot call a religious group an ethnicity. You wouldn't call a Muslim from say the USA or from India or Uzbekistan a Middle Easterner.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
You have Muslims from all over the world. Stereo-typing them as Middle Easterners is a sign of lack of knowledge and understanding. In addition, you cannot call a religious group an ethnicity. You wouldn't call a Muslim from say the USA or from India or Uzbekistan a Middle Easterner.
Dewd, you're barking up the wrong tree if you mean to direct that at me. Perhaps the forum is goofing up in telling me that you did?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
it can be easily expressed by saying that the majority of the leaders are influenced by their own greed and extreme polarization of the population into many factions.
There you go, talking about American politics again. :laugh:
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I thought that was just a description of generic politics :)
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I thought that was just a description of generic politics :)
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I thought that was just a description of generic politics
How can you say that??? Ask anyone in Europe...OK, ask anyone in Australia...well, OK, ask anyone in Brazil. . . Canada. . . Russia. . . China. . .Ok Palau! Now there's a country where the politicans are on the up and up!!! "Negotiations between Washington and the Palauans over the prisoners coincided with discussions about a $200 million (£120 million) renewal of a regular assistance package on which the island, a former US territory, depends."[^] :((
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
You have Muslims from all over the world. Stereo-typing them as Middle Easterners is a sign of lack of knowledge and understanding. In addition, you cannot call a religious group an ethnicity. You wouldn't call a Muslim from say the USA or from India or Uzbekistan a Middle Easterner.
Dewd, you're barking up the wrong tree if you mean to direct that at me. Perhaps the forum is goofing up in telling me that you did?
Nope, the post was a reply at your lack of insight that Muslim is not necessarily from the Middle East. The sad fact is, you went back and changed the post to reflect your short-sighted prejudice.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I thought that was just a description of generic politics
How can you say that??? Ask anyone in Europe...OK, ask anyone in Australia...well, OK, ask anyone in Brazil. . . Canada. . . Russia. . . China. . .Ok Palau! Now there's a country where the politicans are on the up and up!!! "Negotiations between Washington and the Palauans over the prisoners coincided with discussions about a $200 million (£120 million) renewal of a regular assistance package on which the island, a former US territory, depends."[^] :((
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Oakman wrote:
Cry
That's how I feel quite often these days :sigh:
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Nope, the post was a reply at your lack of insight that Muslim is not necessarily from the Middle East. The sad fact is, you went back and changed the post to reflect your short-sighted prejudice.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Nope, the post was a reply at your lack of insight that Muslim is not necessarily from the Middle East. The sad fact is, you went back and changed the post to reflect your short-sighted prejudice.
Ya' damned fool! I was echoing the person I was responding to (*). I changed it because I know there are fools like you. (*) Who was, of course, your own damned fool self.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Nope, the post was a reply at your lack of insight that Muslim is not necessarily from the Middle East. The sad fact is, you went back and changed the post to reflect your short-sighted prejudice.
Ya' damned fool! I was echoing the person I was responding to (*). I changed it because I know there are fools like you. (*) Who was, of course, your own damned fool self.
Ilíon wrote:
Ya' damned fool! I was echoing the person I was responding to (*). I changed it because I know there are fools like you. (*) Who was, of course, your own damned fool self.
Your foolishness does not know any bounds does it? You constantly amaze me with how far beyond what is considered the normal bounds of foolishness are. By the latest count, it would take 18 people, 3212 years to achieve your level; Of course, by then, you'd have left them far behind. Bravo.
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Christian Graus wrote:
In a country where a massive swing is winning 55% to 45%
So a change of 6% would eliminate a "massive" swing? That must be the new math I heard about. . . :laugh: Christian, there certainly are people who worship at the shrine of St. Obama, but most of them would have been quite content serving as acolytes of St. Hilary as well. The "massive swing" voters were, in large part responding to their deep discontent with Bush, and operating in line with a fine old American tradition called, "Throw dah bums out!" Certainly the Republicans who offered more of the same old, with an emphasis on the old, gave the electorate no real reason to reject Obama. The American press (and even more so the overseas press, I imagine) will not cover in detail - or even admit in some cases - that there is slowly growing discontent with Obama both on the left and on the right. The problem with having promised to be all things to all people is that sooner or later some little kid says, "The Emperor has no clothes!"
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Oakman wrote:
So a change of 6% would eliminate a "massive" swing?
To be fair, it's the largest majority since at least Reagan. And in terms of congress, well how long has it been since either side had a filibuster proof majority in both houses? Use of the word "massive" does seem a bit ridiculous though. A significant swing (from a fraction of 1% majority for the Republicans, along with a small majority in the House and Senate, to today's sitiuation) would seem a more reasonable description than "massive".
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Oakman wrote:
So a change of 6% would eliminate a "massive" swing?
To be fair, it's the largest majority since at least Reagan. And in terms of congress, well how long has it been since either side had a filibuster proof majority in both houses? Use of the word "massive" does seem a bit ridiculous though. A significant swing (from a fraction of 1% majority for the Republicans, along with a small majority in the House and Senate, to today's sitiuation) would seem a more reasonable description than "massive".
Rob Graham wrote:
To be fair, it's the largest majority since at least Reagan
Absolutely true, but not nearly as large as Nixon's 49 state sweep in 1972 - and we all know how that turned out. Or maybe not. Some of the rhetoric and plans going around now remind me of what was being said 150 days after that election. But at least you and I have memories.
Rob Graham wrote:
A significant swing
Does indeed seem more appropriate.
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Ilíon wrote:
Ya' damned fool! I was echoing the person I was responding to (*). I changed it because I know there are fools like you. (*) Who was, of course, your own damned fool self.
Your foolishness does not know any bounds does it? You constantly amaze me with how far beyond what is considered the normal bounds of foolishness are. By the latest count, it would take 18 people, 3212 years to achieve your level; Of course, by then, you'd have left them far behind. Bravo.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Your foolishness does not know any bounds does it? You constantly amaze me with how far beyond what is considered the normal bounds of foolishness are. By the latest count, it would take 18 people, 3212 years to achieve your level; Of course, by then, you'd have left them far behind.
Problem is, as long as you respond, he gets what he needs from the group.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Your foolishness does not know any bounds does it? You constantly amaze me with how far beyond what is considered the normal bounds of foolishness are. By the latest count, it would take 18 people, 3212 years to achieve your level; Of course, by then, you'd have left them far behind.
Problem is, as long as you respond, he gets what he needs from the group.
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Yeah. I do get suckered into replying.
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Ilíon wrote:
Ya' damned fool! I was echoing the person I was responding to (*). I changed it because I know there are fools like you. (*) Who was, of course, your own damned fool self.
Your foolishness does not know any bounds does it? You constantly amaze me with how far beyond what is considered the normal bounds of foolishness are. By the latest count, it would take 18 people, 3212 years to achieve your level; Of course, by then, you'd have left them far behind. Bravo.
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I respect the fact that you took the time to do the math. I just ignore him.
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Josh Gray wrote:
the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population.
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids? They're starting gangs and are fighting in turf wars? I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids? They're starting gangs and are fighting in turf wars? I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
Unfortunately yes but thats not to say all the Arabs here are in gangs or behave this way. The last few days 100's of Indian students have been gathering in the streets in one particular area looking for groups of Lebanese to beat up. It goes both ways. There is a Jordanian guy at work who lives near this particular area and was telling me he wont go shopping at night now out of fear. It's a sad situation. In relation to the police they are more than happy to arrest anyone. What they wont do is admit that this problem is occurring between two groups that identify by race and attempt to resolve it or improve the situation by involving the leaders of these sub-communities.
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I respect the fact that you took the time to do the math. I just ignore him.
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You're absolutely right. I should ignore him. I just couldn't help it because he said something so flagrantly wrong.
Christian Graus wrote:
I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
:laugh::laugh: That is just insanely hilarious! I laughed so hard I got teary eyed :laugh:
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