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Paul Riley wrote: Why does that annoy you? How does it make any difference to your life, except that you can't join in the conversations? Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. Paul Riley wrote: You're taking it far too seriously. It's entertainment, it is funny. But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Pro wrestling is only popular because it is "the thing" to be interested in. If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Paul Riley wrote: Really? They get four hours of free entertainment every week, plus three for every pay-per-view (which usually aren't ppv here), plus whatever time they spend discussing it. You get annoyed. Who's the one to be pitied ? It isn't that at all - it is the actions that go with it. One of my friends' friends (we'll call him Mr. N) is of the physcoalthletic variety and breathes pro wrestling, using it as an excuse to jump about and generally be an arsehole (because his other friends "like it"). He doesn't hurt anyone, usually, but he is "cool" because he can perform the elusive "double whammy throat slam" whilst simultaneously performing a "tripple back slammer". Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. Now some individuals may not take it so far, but many many many do, and they waste not only their time and money but also their standards. If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them! Paul Riley wrote: You want televised embroidery? They televise darts/cricket/football/baseball/basketball/hockey/etc which are all about as interesting as embroidery, so why not? :| Paul Riley wrote: Seriously though, anyone can learn embroidery, not everyone could learn to be a wrestler. Not only is it physically challenging but
David Wulff wrote: Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. David Wulff wrote: But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny. I'm assured on good authority that stuff like "You've Been Framed" is hilariously funny... I just don't see it, and thus I turn the TV over. When people around me talk about what happened on You've Been Framed last night, I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. David Wulff wrote: US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Not bad comparisons. King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first. Jerry Springer I found amusing for a while and then got bored (problem with shows like that is that they repeat themselves too much). I've not seen the US Robot Wars but I'm hooked on the UK one. David Wulff wrote: If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem, just like if they choose to act on Eminem lyrics. If they can't see the joke in either then I don't see what you can do about it. David Wulff wrote: Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. I have more acquaintances who would rather talk about programming than wrestling. In fact I know very few people who watch wrestling. I don't watch it "because it's cool" but "despite the fact that it's not cool". It's all subjective and I suggest you're hanging round in the wrong groups ;) David Wulff wrote: If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them!
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. Only if the individual kid chooses to make it that way. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! Agreed, but consider also that the best of the best in any field (almost) always get paid a lot of $$$. Pro athletes and, for the most part, celebs, are the very best at what they do, hence they get paid a lot of money. The only reason they get godly sums is because we make them god-like by showering our attention, admiration, and money on them. Hmm... the train sort of derailed there... :-D Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. The Riverdance isn't natural. Have you ever seen those legs flippin' and flyin' around? That's just not right! Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Cuz it sux! :) Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Ok, I'll "stop doing that" ... "right now" Seriously, though, I do tend to do this way too much. :) Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. No comment - I've never smoked it. Thank you very much - you've all been great. I'll be here until Thursday. Jon Sagara Damnit Jim!
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So many topics and nobody has replied yet? Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. Colin^Davies wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Coke may be made out of natural things, but it is not natural. White Sugar is not sugar, it is purified sugar. Processing removes so many things. Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown) _____________________ eikonoklastes (congrats if you can figure out what this means) "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
Daniel Ferguson wrote: Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. You mean you "we may have to hurt you". Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;P Nick Parker
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. "Social" makes it all sound so civilized... Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! But, i like to complain. They're rich, they can take it... Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Pepsi, on the other hand... Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap - people see them without understanding the point. If you watch Army of Darkness and expect a soul-chilling epic of horror and drama, then you will be disappointed and angered. If you watch pro wrestling and expect to see a traditional wrestling match, then you will also be disappointed and angered. These are things which must be taken for what they are, and either enjoyed or ignored per individual taste. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers And stop addressing groups of people as "people", people. Seriously... Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. And hungry. Don't forget hungry... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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[Good thread Colin... might have been useful to split them up though ;)] Daniel Ferguson wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. --- My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. He was right. You learn absolutely nothing of any practical use at school, except social skills. Daniel Ferguson wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make --- Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. It doesn't matter what they contribute to society. Wht matters is how much they are worth to the person paying their wage. If an actor gets $8m for a film, it's because the presence of an actor of that stature is likely to increase the value of the film by >$8m. Daniel Ferguson wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? --- Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. You evidently haven't seen pro-wrestling lately or the programs and books about it? No one in pro-wrestling actually claims that it's a real sport any more. Several wrestlers have written books about their experiences, many more have been in interviews where they talk quite candidly about it. Everybody in the industry calls it Sports Entertainment and that's exactly what it is... it's a soap opera with a sporting theme. I was as cynical as you a few years ago and watched it for a laugh a few times, eventually I started to realise that it's really funny. The wrestling itself is still extremely athletic, it still hurts and the blood is very real. It's not choreographed (sp?) as many believe, the result is given and the rest is arranged by the wrestlers (with the help of managers and the referee) as the "fight" is happening. Let's put it this way... you wouldn't catch me trying to do it :) Daniel Ferguson wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers --- Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. You won't catch me arguing there. And don't get me started on management buzz-words. Daniel Ferguson wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. --- If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown)
Paul Riley wrote: You learn absolutely nothing of any practical use at school, except social skills. Personal observations indicate that even this is optional... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Okay so during my few years in private schooling until I was eight taught me everything I then re-learnt during public school till I was sixteen, but at private school you don't learn about applied use of narcotics, theft, truancy, etc, etc. No I am not joking here - I am glad I spent my impressionable years surrounded by the very people who will surround me for the rest of my life: there is little point becoming an academic with no life skills unless you enjoy your own company. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! I don't complain about it -- I laugh at the people who pay them. :) Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural I'm not sure what you mean here, unless you mean that because everything is made from, ultimately, natural base materials that the end result is natural? If so I agree. Take evolution (unless of course you believe nothing is in fact natural because it is all divine-made). Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because boy's stopped taking part in ballet for a reason - men in leotards just aren't pretty. Kapishe? ;P Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it, and when I see my friends dropping things like "double jack whammer" and what not into coversation and what "tripple h" did to "big momma" during the saturday night "bangorama" on "raw" I can't help feeling a deep pity for them. The average mens ballet pro wrestling fan could probably list hundreds of "moves" straight from their heads like you or I could could list the alphabet. Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so fucking popular, and growing. Colin^Davies wrote:
David Wulff wrote: And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes Of course, so is Pro Football, Pro Baseball, Pro Hockey, Pro Basketball, Pro Bowling, Pro Auto Racing, Pro Snooker, Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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David Wulff wrote: And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes Of course, so is Pro Football, Pro Baseball, Pro Hockey, Pro Basketball, Pro Bowling, Pro Auto Racing, Pro Snooker, Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... They may be important, but like finding your way home from the club pissed, alone, at three in the morning and in the pouring rain, it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom (though I would dearly have loved to attend a school that offered *that* class ;P). Shog9 wrote: Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Now I have an erection. :-O :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
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Shog9 wrote: Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... They may be important, but like finding your way home from the club pissed, alone, at three in the morning and in the pouring rain, it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom (though I would dearly have loved to attend a school that offered *that* class ;P). Shog9 wrote: Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Now I have an erection. :-O :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
David Wulff wrote: it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills. David Wulff wrote: Now I have an erection. Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... :~ Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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David Wulff wrote: it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills. David Wulff wrote: Now I have an erection. Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... :~ Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? :~ That's what *I* meant anyway, even though my experiences in my time at public school were of a good enough standard. Shog9 wrote: Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... Tell me about it. For some reason lately my in-no-way-little friend has been getting turned on by blackcurrant juice! (Sadly I am not taking the piss). If Robbinsons made viagra I could maybe understand it but as it is I am just plain confused. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
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Shog9 wrote: Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? :~ That's what *I* meant anyway, even though my experiences in my time at public school were of a good enough standard. Shog9 wrote: Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... Tell me about it. For some reason lately my in-no-way-little friend has been getting turned on by blackcurrant juice! (Sadly I am not taking the piss). If Robbinsons made viagra I could maybe understand it but as it is I am just plain confused. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
David Wulff wrote: But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? I think i disagreed however. In very few real-life situations have i come close to an environment like that produced by public (or even private) schools. Perhaps for others this is not so; i can't say i envy them however. Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. "Social" makes it all sound so civilized... Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! But, i like to complain. They're rich, they can take it... Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Pepsi, on the other hand... Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap - people see them without understanding the point. If you watch Army of Darkness and expect a soul-chilling epic of horror and drama, then you will be disappointed and angered. If you watch pro wrestling and expect to see a traditional wrestling match, then you will also be disappointed and angered. These are things which must be taken for what they are, and either enjoyed or ignored per individual taste. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers And stop addressing groups of people as "people", people. Seriously... Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. And hungry. Don't forget hungry... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap They do??!?!?!!??? Now I'm hurt. :suss: Paul
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David Wulff wrote: Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. David Wulff wrote: But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny. I'm assured on good authority that stuff like "You've Been Framed" is hilariously funny... I just don't see it, and thus I turn the TV over. When people around me talk about what happened on You've Been Framed last night, I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. David Wulff wrote: US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Not bad comparisons. King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first. Jerry Springer I found amusing for a while and then got bored (problem with shows like that is that they repeat themselves too much). I've not seen the US Robot Wars but I'm hooked on the UK one. David Wulff wrote: If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem, just like if they choose to act on Eminem lyrics. If they can't see the joke in either then I don't see what you can do about it. David Wulff wrote: Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. I have more acquaintances who would rather talk about programming than wrestling. In fact I know very few people who watch wrestling. I don't watch it "because it's cool" but "despite the fact that it's not cool". It's all subjective and I suggest you're hanging round in the wrong groups ;) David Wulff wrote: If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them!
Paul Riley wrote: And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Paul Riley wrote: Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! :) Paul Riley wrote: I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Imagine if you spent 18 hours a day locked in a room with a raging nympho: the conversation would constantly be turned onto sex, the actions would be sexual, the atmosphere would be fine for a while, but eventually it would turn unbearable. Finding new friends is not an option. Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. Paul Riley wrote: King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first
TV guide". After a few episodes about that guy (Hank?) and his bloody lawn and those even bloodier termites, not to mention that bloody bloody kid... :rolleyes: The humour dried up because I couldn't find enough personality in the characters to make them real.Paul Riley wrote: Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem [snip]. If they can't see the joke then I don't see what you can do about it. Sadly it is not so much of a different issue - they really do go hand in hand based on what I have observed. :( Paul Riley wrote: -
Paul Riley wrote: And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Paul Riley wrote: Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! :) Paul Riley wrote: I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Imagine if you spent 18 hours a day locked in a room with a raging nympho: the conversation would constantly be turned onto sex, the actions would be sexual, the atmosphere would be fine for a while, but eventually it would turn unbearable. Finding new friends is not an option. Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. Paul Riley wrote: King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first
TV guide". After a few episodes about that guy (Hank?) and his bloody lawn and those even bloodier termites, not to mention that bloody bloody kid... :rolleyes: The humour dried up because I couldn't find enough personality in the characters to make them real.Paul Riley wrote: Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem [snip]. If they can't see the joke then I don't see what you can do about it. Sadly it is not so much of a different issue - they really do go hand in hand based on what I have observed. :( Paul Riley wrote:David Wulff wrote: It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. David Wulff wrote: Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! I can't say I saw that one. To be honest, I've seen about 5 minutes total since Jeremy Beedle left (and about 30 minutes total before that). I just don't get the joke. David Wulff wrote: Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Understood, but in those situations sometimes you do have to give into peer pressure, no matter what people say to the contrary. Sad, but a fact of life. I spent over a year living in a hostel with 20 other people and sometimes you just have to go with the flow or be alienated. If being alienated meant being left alone, I could live with that. I try to avoid contact with people anyway. But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. David Wulff wrote: Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. I can relate to that. David Wulff wrote: When I was growing up (you know what I mean) I used to watch childrens television quite a lot: CBBC and CITV. I quickly (and subconciously) stopped watching CITV and watched CBBC's programming exclusively. Why? Well for a start the beeb doesn't break for adverts every fifteen minutes (or even more frequently it seems on some transatlantic channels) but IMHO the reason was because the for
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David Wulff wrote: It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. David Wulff wrote: Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! I can't say I saw that one. To be honest, I've seen about 5 minutes total since Jeremy Beedle left (and about 30 minutes total before that). I just don't get the joke. David Wulff wrote: Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Understood, but in those situations sometimes you do have to give into peer pressure, no matter what people say to the contrary. Sad, but a fact of life. I spent over a year living in a hostel with 20 other people and sometimes you just have to go with the flow or be alienated. If being alienated meant being left alone, I could live with that. I try to avoid contact with people anyway. But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. David Wulff wrote: Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. I can relate to that. David Wulff wrote: When I was growing up (you know what I mean) I used to watch childrens television quite a lot: CBBC and CITV. I quickly (and subconciously) stopped watching CITV and watched CBBC's programming exclusively. Why? Well for a start the beeb doesn't break for adverts every fifteen minutes (or even more frequently it seems on some transatlantic channels) but IMHO the reason was because the for
Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely B -
Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely BDavid Wulff wrote: It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference If it's subtle you want, try dropping a wad of guncotton in the ashtray when a smoker isn't watching, then stand back:-) I smoke, but still find this entertaining! (You'll have to experiment a bit, as I don't recall which you add to the cotton first - the nitric, or the sulphuric acid. Be sure to neutralize with sodium bicarbonate and rinse several times with distilled water if you want to get any shelf life out of it.) Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely BDavid Wulff wrote: I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. Heheh! :taking a deep drag out of sheer spite: ;) Seriously though, smoking is a totally different issue that I want to avoid getting into (had that argument too many times and getting bored of it now). Suffice to say that smokers are used to being treated that way, they are the minority anywhere in this country, even when they're not. You get automatic respect for your space there because smokers quickly find predjudiced attitudes everywhere and we're past fighting it (because it is, when all's said and done, an unjustifiable habit but a habit nonetheless). David Wulff wrote: Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. :laugh: You joke but I worked for a while with people who considered me antisocial because I don't drink very often and I sure as hell wasn't getting drunk with them. That was a rough time. David Wulff wrote:
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault).Unfortunately that makes me the epitomy of pretty much everything you hate :-D. I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality. I looked stupid when I used to wear Burton's T-shirts, I don't look quite as stupid now I wear Timberland. Nothing to do with the label, just a better cut. The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable. :-D I do buy ridiculous things when they come out rather than wait six months for the price to drop, I make no apology for that. If I want a PS2 then I'll damn well have one, I don't care if I spend most of the six months playing PS1 games on it because there's no decent PS2 games out. This all stems from having financially overly cautious parents who I hated (past tense: now one's past away and I'm way beyond hating my mother, I simply pity the bitter old witch:laugh:). I'm still rebelling. Yes, a near-30 year old rebelling against his parents who he has no contact with. Sad? Certainly. Fun? Absolutely. I swear I will never be tight with money. David Wulff wrote: Now -
David Wulff wrote: I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. Heheh! :taking a deep drag out of sheer spite: ;) Seriously though, smoking is a totally different issue that I want to avoid getting into (had that argument too many times and getting bored of it now). Suffice to say that smokers are used to being treated that way, they are the minority anywhere in this country, even when they're not. You get automatic respect for your space there because smokers quickly find predjudiced attitudes everywhere and we're past fighting it (because it is, when all's said and done, an unjustifiable habit but a habit nonetheless). David Wulff wrote: Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. :laugh: You joke but I worked for a while with people who considered me antisocial because I don't drink very often and I sure as hell wasn't getting drunk with them. That was a rough time. David Wulff wrote:
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault).Unfortunately that makes me the epitomy of pretty much everything you hate :-D. I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality. I looked stupid when I used to wear Burton's T-shirts, I don't look quite as stupid now I wear Timberland. Nothing to do with the label, just a better cut. The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable. :-D I do buy ridiculous things when they come out rather than wait six months for the price to drop, I make no apology for that. If I want a PS2 then I'll damn well have one, I don't care if I spend most of the six months playing PS1 games on it because there's no decent PS2 games out. This all stems from having financially overly cautious parents who I hated (past tense: now one's past away and I'm way beyond hating my mother, I simply pity the bitter old witch:laugh:). I'm still rebelling. Yes, a near-30 year old rebelling against his parents who he has no contact with. Sad? Certainly. Fun? Absolutely. I swear I will never be tight with money. David Wulff wrote: NowPaul Riley wrote: I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! :omg: Paul Riley wrote: The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable I've gotten into Caterpillar for my outside shoes and Sketchers for my trainers as they seem to be the most comofrtable fit for my awkward 9 1/4 W shoes size (I did have some Nike ones before which were comfy but they wore out in just a few months!). At least with Sketchers theya re not a widely aknowledged brand over here which means I can usually find them for really reasonable prices - far less than the Nike equivalent. Of course I do buy online though so I usually get my stuff cheaper than the high street anyway. :) Paul Riley wrote: I swear I will never be tight with money If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. Paul Riley wrote: Can you expand on this a bit... I'm not sure exactly what "serious" problems in our society have been caused by mass commercialism. In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". They also develop personalities based around corporate disinformation and the values that are associated with it, instead of real world values. E.g. they don't appreciate a persons company as valuable unless there is some tag attached to it. It is not the whole, but it is seemingly becoming the norm. The teenage girl is the most dangerous threat to our society since the invention of the concealable hand gun. Paul Riley wrote: It's about time the BBC was opt-in subscription based though. NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception? There is a reason even the massive corporate US channels come kneeling before the beeb's board of directors asking to have them co-produce their latest series'. The BBC produce a large quantity of programming without commecial sponsorship (I'm talking the programmes here not ad breaks) which means they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Even prog
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Paul Riley wrote: I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! :omg: Paul Riley wrote: The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable I've gotten into Caterpillar for my outside shoes and Sketchers for my trainers as they seem to be the most comofrtable fit for my awkward 9 1/4 W shoes size (I did have some Nike ones before which were comfy but they wore out in just a few months!). At least with Sketchers theya re not a widely aknowledged brand over here which means I can usually find them for really reasonable prices - far less than the Nike equivalent. Of course I do buy online though so I usually get my stuff cheaper than the high street anyway. :) Paul Riley wrote: I swear I will never be tight with money If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. Paul Riley wrote: Can you expand on this a bit... I'm not sure exactly what "serious" problems in our society have been caused by mass commercialism. In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". They also develop personalities based around corporate disinformation and the values that are associated with it, instead of real world values. E.g. they don't appreciate a persons company as valuable unless there is some tag attached to it. It is not the whole, but it is seemingly becoming the norm. The teenage girl is the most dangerous threat to our society since the invention of the concealable hand gun. Paul Riley wrote: It's about time the BBC was opt-in subscription based though. NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception? There is a reason even the massive corporate US channels come kneeling before the beeb's board of directors asking to have them co-produce their latest series'. The BBC produce a large quantity of programming without commecial sponsorship (I'm talking the programmes here not ad breaks) which means they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Even prog
David Wulff wrote: I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! Cool! See, you are commercialised at heart :) David Wulff wrote: If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. This is what I've found. Every time I try to save money, my car breaks down or my computer starts screwing around, or something else fatal to my way of life, then the tax man comes along and says that they've messed up and I owe them hundreds, or on one occassion the bank came and said they'd deposited some £450 of someone else's money in my account a year ago and they wanted it back instantly. I end up with no money whatsoever. If I just go out and blow money wildly then I seem to have stacks of it. So why bother? David Wulff wrote: In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". Interesting you should say that because I would argue that people have never questioned what they're told. The difference is that they're now told it by corporations instead of governments. If anything people a sizable minority of people have started asking questions now and those people are now noticing that no one else is thinking for themselves. They think this is a surprise but it isn't. You and I are the new breed. David Wulff wrote: NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception?... they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Free to? Yes. But what do they do with that freedom (now, not 20 years ago)? Nothing. BBC2 is populated almost entirely with Sky's cast off American TV, BBC1 is dubious drama and more dubious comedy. Let's look at tonight's listings... 19:00 Watchdog Cheap, over-dramatic, dull. 19:30 Eastenders Less cheap, over-dramatic, depressing, but still one of the best programs on BBC. 20:00 Holby City When will the Brits admit that British TV hospitals simply aren't interesting? This program takes itself far too seriously. 21:00 Waking the Dead Haven't seen it. British Cop-programs simply don't interest me unless they've got Dalziel in the title (I w
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David Wulff wrote: I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! Cool! See, you are commercialised at heart :) David Wulff wrote: If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. This is what I've found. Every time I try to save money, my car breaks down or my computer starts screwing around, or something else fatal to my way of life, then the tax man comes along and says that they've messed up and I owe them hundreds, or on one occassion the bank came and said they'd deposited some £450 of someone else's money in my account a year ago and they wanted it back instantly. I end up with no money whatsoever. If I just go out and blow money wildly then I seem to have stacks of it. So why bother? David Wulff wrote: In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". Interesting you should say that because I would argue that people have never questioned what they're told. The difference is that they're now told it by corporations instead of governments. If anything people a sizable minority of people have started asking questions now and those people are now noticing that no one else is thinking for themselves. They think this is a surprise but it isn't. You and I are the new breed. David Wulff wrote: NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception?... they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Free to? Yes. But what do they do with that freedom (now, not 20 years ago)? Nothing. BBC2 is populated almost entirely with Sky's cast off American TV, BBC1 is dubious drama and more dubious comedy. Let's look at tonight's listings... 19:00 Watchdog Cheap, over-dramatic, dull. 19:30 Eastenders Less cheap, over-dramatic, depressing, but still one of the best programs on BBC. 20:00 Holby City When will the Brits admit that British TV hospitals simply aren't interesting? This program takes itself far too seriously. 21:00 Waking the Dead Haven't seen it. British Cop-programs simply don't interest me unless they've got Dalziel in the title (I w
Paul Riley wrote: Watchdog Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Paul Riley wrote: Eastenders A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The same is true of Coronation Street, though I never got into that because of the acents. Paul Riley wrote: Holby City I agree 100%. Paul Riley wrote: Waking the Dead You are the fool for having missed it! Waking the Dead has been sonsitently good over the last two(three?) series. It is of equal quality to Dalziel and Pascoe easily. The beeb produce some excellent crime doubles (i.e. two nighters). Ever seen Mesiah? Mesiah 2 and this weeks Waking the Dead where both put off till a later date because of the two sets of murders recently but they promise to be very good too. If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Paul Riley wrote: News/Regional News/Weather I only watch the headlines at 10 now, and later switch over to Newnight. Paul Riley wrote: Absolutely Fabulous I never managed to get into that program. Paul Riley wrote: Johnny Vaughn Tonight Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. Paul Riley wrote: Explain to me again why I should keep funding this trash by force Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases. And that is another thing - you fund numerous projects around the country which produce the next generation of faces on the box. And all this isn't even touching on the news or interactive side of their operations - both of which are unparalled even abroad. Did you know BBCi is the most visited service (and website) in the whole of Europe? Even more so that Google I believe. And the world service is just that - a world service. The beeb is one of the few things that are British that we ca
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Paul Riley wrote: Watchdog Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Paul Riley wrote: Eastenders A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The same is true of Coronation Street, though I never got into that because of the acents. Paul Riley wrote: Holby City I agree 100%. Paul Riley wrote: Waking the Dead You are the fool for having missed it! Waking the Dead has been sonsitently good over the last two(three?) series. It is of equal quality to Dalziel and Pascoe easily. The beeb produce some excellent crime doubles (i.e. two nighters). Ever seen Mesiah? Mesiah 2 and this weeks Waking the Dead where both put off till a later date because of the two sets of murders recently but they promise to be very good too. If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Paul Riley wrote: News/Regional News/Weather I only watch the headlines at 10 now, and later switch over to Newnight. Paul Riley wrote: Absolutely Fabulous I never managed to get into that program. Paul Riley wrote: Johnny Vaughn Tonight Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. Paul Riley wrote: Explain to me again why I should keep funding this trash by force Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases. And that is another thing - you fund numerous projects around the country which produce the next generation of faces on the box. And all this isn't even touching on the news or interactive side of their operations - both of which are unparalled even abroad. Did you know BBCi is the most visited service (and website) in the whole of Europe? Even more so that Google I believe. And the world service is just that - a world service. The beeb is one of the few things that are British that we ca
David Wulff wrote: Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Does it? Shows how long its been since I've seen it. That's even more reason not to watch it. :-D I would agree that it could serve a purpose, but I think it fails on so many levels. On the occasions I have seen Watchdog, at least 40% is pointless and at least 50% is just plain lies and anti-corporate propoganda. David Wulff wrote: A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The only soap (in the common British term) I really pay much attention to is Emmerdale because it's so ridiculous. Once it stopped taking itself seriously (some five years ago) it became very watchable. Eastenders is little mor than people walking around crying about something (although I will admit to amusement at the new Sonya-with-attitude). David Wulff wrote: If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Saw the first one (I think), the one with Clive Owen in. I was certainly disappointed, decided not to bother again. Brilliant advertising though, it looked half interesting. David Wulff wrote: Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. I might give it a try next week. If I'm really bored after Millennium ;) David Wulff wrote: Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases No, no, no! I don't want to pay for that. Space was really weak after showing a lot of promise; like Kennedy Space Center, I expected it to be aimed at people with some level of interest in space, rather than at dumbasses ;) Walking With Dinosaurs was the most overhyped British program in years. I mean really, teaching theory as facts annoys me at the best of times but 15 minutes about Diplodocus shit? Was that really necessary? If this is the great justification for my TV license I want it back now. Turn BBC back on when you've made some