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    On March 20, 1969, Dr. Richard Day, the National Medical Director of the Rockefeller-sponsored “Planned Parenthood” told a meeting that American industry will be sabotaged and shown to be uncompetitive. In view of the recent bankruptcy of General Motors, his remarks are especially pertinent. “The stated plan was that different parts of the world would be assigned different roles of industry and commerce in a unified global system. The continued preeminence of the United States and the relative independence and self-sufficiency of the United States would have to be changed… in order to create a new structure, you first have to tear down the old, and American industry was one example of that.” “Each part of the world will have a specialty and thus become inter-dependent, he said. The US will remain a center for agriculture, high tech, communications, and education but heavy industry would be “transported out.” These remarks to the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society were reported by Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, a Pittsburgh pediatrician who died in Jan. 2004. The speech described “A New World System” already in place which would permanently transform the world. Dr. Day wanted the 80 or so physicians present to be prepared. The transcript of Dunegan’s recollections has been posted here and should be read in full. However, I’ll provide a summary here. OMINOUS OMISSIONS Much of what Day promised in 1969 is looking like a rear-view mirror today. But ominous events have yet to transpire. They do want to implant a chip in us so they can find and identify us, as well as monitor and control our purchases. They are weaning us off national allegiance and will resort to terrorism to win our assent to their global police state. They may use “one or two nuclear bombs to convince people we mean business,” Day said. He refrained from mentioning who “we” are but said the names are recognizable. Given that he worked for the Rockefellers, I assume he meant the Rockefellers and their bosses, the Rothschilds. This adds weight to the widely-held view that the central bankers are responsible for most terrorism, using MI-6, Mossad and the CIA. Dr. Day also said that “war is obsolete” given the danger of nuclear exchange so terrorism would be used instead. This was 1969. He said that there are always two reasons for anything the Rockefellers do: the pretext which makes it palatable to the gullible public and the real reason. Thus, as I argued in my book “Cruel Hoax” (2007), we are being turned into homosexuals in the nam

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    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

    Sports instead of dolls will be promoted to girls

    I don't see how this is a bad thing, especially since the USA has such a huge number of obese children.

    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

    More women will work outside the home

    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

    Girls will be taught they are the same as boys

    Women and men ARE equal though, or are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior?

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      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      Picking one little sentence out of an entire paper and attacking it like it represents the entire thing isn't going to get you anywhere in an argument.

      How about if I pointed out that when I am in the US, US based sports like baseball and basketball are still king, and soccer is not even close ? This sort of irrational paranoid BS is easy to attack, just because I chose one thing, doesn't mean I can't take any part of it and pull it apart.

      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      I'm honored that a eugenicist like you would call me a nutjob

      When did I become that ?

      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      . We are on completely different sides, and I'm glad about it because I want nothing to do with what you believe in.

      You don't even have a clue what I believe, after all these years of knowing me. Because your life is a series of caricatures designed to support your flimsy world view.

      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      No freedom for anyone, kill off the population, drug out everyone, government rules all, everyone is just a slave (give up your money for the good of humanity bullsh*t). Dead Scumbag...

      Interesting. I remember pointing out that population control is the only way our race will survive, beyond that, I don't see where you get any of this. Except that yes, I do freely give money to help those less fortunate than myself. which, apparently, makes me a scumbag ?

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      How about if I pointed out that when I am in the US, US based sports like baseball and basketball are still king, and soccer is not even close ?

      So, that's why all you crazy furriners hates us?

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        Christian Graus wrote:

        How about if I pointed out that when I am in the US, US based sports like baseball and basketball are still king, and soccer is not even close ?

        So, that's why all you crazy furriners hates us?

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        No, we hate you for your 'freedom', remember ? We don't hate you en masse at all. It just makes you feel better, to feel persecuted.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          I just saw that as an example of how cultures would combine and equalize so we would all be one same blended world culture.

          Well, the internet is doing that. And, the culture we get, is likely to be US culture, so why do you care ? Why would you care anyhow ? Culture is always in a state of flux, anyhow.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          When you states Africans and welfare recipients should be sterilized.

          LOL. Well, at a minimum, people on welfare should not be paid to breed. That's just common sense.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          I know what you have stated here.

          You seem good at misrepresenting it.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          When you are giving money to the big companies that deal with Africa and such, you are actually paying for birth control programs.

          I give money to world vision and save the children. I have no doubt that some is spent on education and condoms. That is a damn good thing.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          So in actuality you are making sure they have a supply of condoms and abortion equipment, but no food or water or electricity.

          What a bunch of totally ignorant, right wing BS. Yes, they will support birth control. But, if they are letting people die, that means they won't give birth no matter what, right ? This is part of the anti abortion movement that denies aid to countries that help people with family plan. Another US crime against humanity.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Not to mention the profits the companies are making.

          Charities keep about 8%. While I give money and charities keep a little bit of it, what are you doing to help the poor ? That's what I thought.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Eugenics makes you a scumbag.

          If only I'd ever supported eugenics.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Believe you can have kids but they can't makes you a scumbag

          If I didn't have kids yet, I'd still support the systems I've suggested as the only way we can hope to survive, but I presented them as a thought experiment, no-one will ever do it.

          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Thinking peop

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          Well, the internet is doing that. And, the culture we get, is likely to be US culture, so why do you care ? Why would you care anyhow ? Culture is always in a state of flux, anyhow.

          I don't want it. I like the culture of original America, not this mexican ignorant gangster rap blasting hippity hop Euro crap. They try to force this britney spears style ignorant madison avenue false reality show style makeup wearing homosexual ultra-fearful super sensitive mother-government loving ignorant global warming culture on us and I just can't stand to even watch TV anymore because of it. The History Channel is alright, thats about it. If you watch the TV news they make it seem like anyone who believes in the Constitution is some kind of extremist terrorist that needs to be silenced.

          Christian Graus wrote:

          Well, at a minimum, people on welfare should not be paid to breed.

          Nobody should, nor should they be fined for having a child or two or three.

          Christian Graus wrote:

          I give money to world vision and save the children.

          Their vision is to prevent children.

          Christian Graus wrote:

          While I give money and charities keep a little bit of it, what are you doing to help the poor ? That's what I thought.

          They probably wouldn't be poor if it weren't for the government inducing a welfare culture and destroying the economy while teaching kids little in federally funded schools.

          Christian Graus wrote:

          This is part of the anti abortion movement that denies aid to countries that help people with family plan

          Planning a family does not involve pairing up with a partner for sex, then murdering the fetus. What you need to do is travel to Africa, talk to some of the villagers that you are supposedly helping. That is what you need to do if you truly care, which I doubt you do.

          "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'B

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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Sports instead of dolls will be promoted to girls

            I don't see how this is a bad thing, especially since the USA has such a huge number of obese children.

            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            More women will work outside the home

            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Girls will be taught they are the same as boys

            Women and men ARE equal though, or are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior?

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            Russ-T wrote:

            I don't see how this is a bad thing, especially since the USA has such a huge number of obese children.

            The goal is to get women away from the family, into the workforce since wages will be cut and families will need two workers to make endsmeat, and to seperate the children from the parents so the state can teach them the way the government see fit. The less time kids spend with their parents, the more state indoctrination they will get. Over in Europe they have this special education program where kids are supposed to write tickets to their parents on all the bad things they do, such as taking a hot bath (CARBON CRIME). It is a little game they play prepares the kids for the new world order.

            Russ-T wrote:

            are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior?

            Certainly not, but fathers can never compare to a mother. Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential. The father is like a bacon getter and protector, the mother is the nurturer.

            "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              Well, the internet is doing that. And, the culture we get, is likely to be US culture, so why do you care ? Why would you care anyhow ? Culture is always in a state of flux, anyhow.

              I don't want it. I like the culture of original America, not this mexican ignorant gangster rap blasting hippity hop Euro crap. They try to force this britney spears style ignorant madison avenue false reality show style makeup wearing homosexual ultra-fearful super sensitive mother-government loving ignorant global warming culture on us and I just can't stand to even watch TV anymore because of it. The History Channel is alright, thats about it. If you watch the TV news they make it seem like anyone who believes in the Constitution is some kind of extremist terrorist that needs to be silenced.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              Well, at a minimum, people on welfare should not be paid to breed.

              Nobody should, nor should they be fined for having a child or two or three.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              I give money to world vision and save the children.

              Their vision is to prevent children.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              While I give money and charities keep a little bit of it, what are you doing to help the poor ? That's what I thought.

              They probably wouldn't be poor if it weren't for the government inducing a welfare culture and destroying the economy while teaching kids little in federally funded schools.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              This is part of the anti abortion movement that denies aid to countries that help people with family plan

              Planning a family does not involve pairing up with a partner for sex, then murdering the fetus. What you need to do is travel to Africa, talk to some of the villagers that you are supposedly helping. That is what you need to do if you truly care, which I doubt you do.

              "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'B

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              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              I like the culture of original America

              First, I doubt htey would want you, and second, I doubt it's exactly what you now think it is.

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              They try to force this britney spears style ignorant madison avenue false reality show style makeup wearing homosexual ultra-fearful super sensitive mother-government loving ignorant global warming culture on us and I just can't stand to even watch TV anymore because of it

              For someone to abandon TV can only be good. But, Britney is big, because she sells. People have not been forced to follow her crap. Your culture is a reflection of the values of your populace, like it or not.

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              The History Channel is alright, thats about it

              It frightens me to agree with you, but I do

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              If you watch the TV news they make it seem like anyone who believes in the Constitution is some kind of extremist terrorist that needs to be silenced.

              Well, that's one of the biases you have to choose from, yes.

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              Nobody should, nor should they be fined for having a child or two or three.

              I doubt it will ever happen, but it actually should, we are choking the earth. However, that's not what I said. I said people should not be PAID to have children who themselves will also not contribute to society. That's not eugenics, it's common sense.

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              Their vision is to prevent children.

              What do you base this on ? Either way, given that the big issue these people have is no food and no birth control, I am sure that birth control is part of their vision, yes. Are people in the west given access to the pill ? Why not in the countries where there is no food ?

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              They probably wouldn't be poor if it weren't for the government inducing a welfare culture and destroying the economy while teaching kids little in federally funded schools.

              You are so ignorant, it hurts me to try to imagine your thought processes.

              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              Planning a family does not involve pairing up with a partner fo

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                Russ-T wrote:

                I don't see how this is a bad thing, especially since the USA has such a huge number of obese children.

                The goal is to get women away from the family, into the workforce since wages will be cut and families will need two workers to make endsmeat, and to seperate the children from the parents so the state can teach them the way the government see fit. The less time kids spend with their parents, the more state indoctrination they will get. Over in Europe they have this special education program where kids are supposed to write tickets to their parents on all the bad things they do, such as taking a hot bath (CARBON CRIME). It is a little game they play prepares the kids for the new world order.

                Russ-T wrote:

                are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior?

                Certainly not, but fathers can never compare to a mother. Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential. The father is like a bacon getter and protector, the mother is the nurturer.

                "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential.

                Is that why you turned out the way you did ? I'm surprised anyone in your family had/has a job.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  I like the culture of original America

                  First, I doubt htey would want you, and second, I doubt it's exactly what you now think it is.

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  They try to force this britney spears style ignorant madison avenue false reality show style makeup wearing homosexual ultra-fearful super sensitive mother-government loving ignorant global warming culture on us and I just can't stand to even watch TV anymore because of it

                  For someone to abandon TV can only be good. But, Britney is big, because she sells. People have not been forced to follow her crap. Your culture is a reflection of the values of your populace, like it or not.

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  The History Channel is alright, thats about it

                  It frightens me to agree with you, but I do

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  If you watch the TV news they make it seem like anyone who believes in the Constitution is some kind of extremist terrorist that needs to be silenced.

                  Well, that's one of the biases you have to choose from, yes.

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  Nobody should, nor should they be fined for having a child or two or three.

                  I doubt it will ever happen, but it actually should, we are choking the earth. However, that's not what I said. I said people should not be PAID to have children who themselves will also not contribute to society. That's not eugenics, it's common sense.

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  Their vision is to prevent children.

                  What do you base this on ? Either way, given that the big issue these people have is no food and no birth control, I am sure that birth control is part of their vision, yes. Are people in the west given access to the pill ? Why not in the countries where there is no food ?

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  They probably wouldn't be poor if it weren't for the government inducing a welfare culture and destroying the economy while teaching kids little in federally funded schools.

                  You are so ignorant, it hurts me to try to imagine your thought processes.

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  Planning a family does not involve pairing up with a partner fo

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                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  I doubt it will ever happen, but it actually should, we are choking the earth.

                  All that does it put the parents into bondage, then the state will take the children since the parents can't pay the fines and whatnot. In china they have forced abortions, even taking the living baby and killing it. Is that what you want to see for the rest of humanity?

                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  What do you base this on ? Either way, given that the big issue these people have is no food and no birth control, I am sure that birth control is part of their vision, yes. Are people in the west given access to the pill ? Why not in the countries where there is no food ?

                  This is something that really pains me to get into because I start being reminded of Nazi style eugenics.

                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  You are so ignorant, it hurts me to try to imagine your thought processes.

                  No, I am well informed, you have to try your hardest to imagine my thought processes to truly understand where I am coming from. You should give ENDGAME (HighRes)[^] a try. I know it pains you to try to watch something like that, but you really need to. It is just two hours of your time, but it will help you understand where I am coming from. It is a start anyway. I don't think you could ever really imagine my thought processes though. Ignore it if you will, but I highly recommend it.

                  "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential.

                    Is that why you turned out the way you did ? I'm surprised anyone in your family had/has a job.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                    My dad makes good money working for the government.

                    "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential.

                      Is that why you turned out the way you did ? I'm surprised anyone in your family had/has a job.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      Is that why you turned out the way you did ? I'm surprised anyone in your family had/has a job.

                      He said his mum was a crack addict, his dad left and her boyfriends beat him. Pretty sad.

                      I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me

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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        I doubt it will ever happen, but it actually should, we are choking the earth.

                        All that does it put the parents into bondage, then the state will take the children since the parents can't pay the fines and whatnot. In china they have forced abortions, even taking the living baby and killing it. Is that what you want to see for the rest of humanity?

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        What do you base this on ? Either way, given that the big issue these people have is no food and no birth control, I am sure that birth control is part of their vision, yes. Are people in the west given access to the pill ? Why not in the countries where there is no food ?

                        This is something that really pains me to get into because I start being reminded of Nazi style eugenics.

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        You are so ignorant, it hurts me to try to imagine your thought processes.

                        No, I am well informed, you have to try your hardest to imagine my thought processes to truly understand where I am coming from. You should give ENDGAME (HighRes)[^] a try. I know it pains you to try to watch something like that, but you really need to. It is just two hours of your time, but it will help you understand where I am coming from. It is a start anyway. I don't think you could ever really imagine my thought processes though. Ignore it if you will, but I highly recommend it.

                        "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        All that does it put the parents into bondage, then the state will take the children since the parents can't pay the fines and whatnot.

                        This is dumb, I said when I suggested it, that it was a thought experiment. Under my suggestion, parents never lose their child to the government.

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        In china they have forced abortions, even taking the living baby and killing it. Is that what you want to see for the rest of humanity?

                        When I made the statement, apart from being clear that I wasn't suggesting it could or should happen, I was specific about if it did, it would have to be nothing like China

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        This is something that really pains me to get into because I start being reminded of Nazi style eugenics.

                        So, you have no answer ?

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        It is just two hours of your time,

                        I remember the times when I could say 'just two hours'. Two hours, is too long. Especially when I've seen this stuff before, it's nothing new to me.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          Is that why you turned out the way you did ? I'm surprised anyone in your family had/has a job.

                          He said his mum was a crack addict, his dad left and her boyfriends beat him. Pretty sad.

                          I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me

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                          Well, that figures. I mean, yes, it is very sad, but it's not surprising that he is the end result.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                            My dad makes good money working for the government.

                            "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                            But does he talk to you ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                              All that does it put the parents into bondage, then the state will take the children since the parents can't pay the fines and whatnot.

                              This is dumb, I said when I suggested it, that it was a thought experiment. Under my suggestion, parents never lose their child to the government.

                              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                              In china they have forced abortions, even taking the living baby and killing it. Is that what you want to see for the rest of humanity?

                              When I made the statement, apart from being clear that I wasn't suggesting it could or should happen, I was specific about if it did, it would have to be nothing like China

                              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                              This is something that really pains me to get into because I start being reminded of Nazi style eugenics.

                              So, you have no answer ?

                              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                              It is just two hours of your time,

                              I remember the times when I could say 'just two hours'. Two hours, is too long. Especially when I've seen this stuff before, it's nothing new to me.

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              I remember the times when I could say 'just two hours'. Two hours, is too long. Especially when I've seen this stuff before, it's nothing new to me.

                              You haven't seen it. Just consolidate the two hours you spend typing to me to have enough time to watch the video.

                              "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                                But does he talk to you ?

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                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                But does he talk to you ?

                                Sure, we even share the same world view.

                                "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                                  I don't see how this is a bad thing, especially since the USA has such a huge number of obese children.

                                  The goal is to get women away from the family, into the workforce since wages will be cut and families will need two workers to make endsmeat, and to seperate the children from the parents so the state can teach them the way the government see fit. The less time kids spend with their parents, the more state indoctrination they will get. Over in Europe they have this special education program where kids are supposed to write tickets to their parents on all the bad things they do, such as taking a hot bath (CARBON CRIME). It is a little game they play prepares the kids for the new world order.

                                  Russ-T wrote:

                                  are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior?

                                  Certainly not, but fathers can never compare to a mother. Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential. The father is like a bacon getter and protector, the mother is the nurturer.

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                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  Russ-T wrote: are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior? Certainly not, but fathers can never compare to a mother

                                  So yes, that's exactly what you're saying.

                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential. The father is like a bacon getter and protector, the mother is the nurturer.

                                  I'm sorry but that attitude is very 1940s. 1940s Germany. Women have as much right to have their own career as men do. Saying otherwise is a very Taliban-like point of view for you to take.

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                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    Russ-T wrote: are you suggesting that women are somehow inferior? Certainly not, but fathers can never compare to a mother

                                    So yes, that's exactly what you're saying.

                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    Children need their mothers at home to nurture the kids to their fullest potential. The father is like a bacon getter and protector, the mother is the nurturer.

                                    I'm sorry but that attitude is very 1940s. 1940s Germany. Women have as much right to have their own career as men do. Saying otherwise is a very Taliban-like point of view for you to take.

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                                    Russ-T wrote:

                                    Women have as much right to have their own career as men do

                                    I don't disagree, but once children come into view, a parent needs to be there and a mother is the most logical and natural one.

                                    "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      I like the culture of original America

                                      First, I doubt htey would want you, and second, I doubt it's exactly what you now think it is.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      They try to force this britney spears style ignorant madison avenue false reality show style makeup wearing homosexual ultra-fearful super sensitive mother-government loving ignorant global warming culture on us and I just can't stand to even watch TV anymore because of it

                                      For someone to abandon TV can only be good. But, Britney is big, because she sells. People have not been forced to follow her crap. Your culture is a reflection of the values of your populace, like it or not.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      The History Channel is alright, thats about it

                                      It frightens me to agree with you, but I do

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      If you watch the TV news they make it seem like anyone who believes in the Constitution is some kind of extremist terrorist that needs to be silenced.

                                      Well, that's one of the biases you have to choose from, yes.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      Nobody should, nor should they be fined for having a child or two or three.

                                      I doubt it will ever happen, but it actually should, we are choking the earth. However, that's not what I said. I said people should not be PAID to have children who themselves will also not contribute to society. That's not eugenics, it's common sense.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      Their vision is to prevent children.

                                      What do you base this on ? Either way, given that the big issue these people have is no food and no birth control, I am sure that birth control is part of their vision, yes. Are people in the west given access to the pill ? Why not in the countries where there is no food ?

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      They probably wouldn't be poor if it weren't for the government inducing a welfare culture and destroying the economy while teaching kids little in federally funded schools.

                                      You are so ignorant, it hurts me to try to imagine your thought processes.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      Planning a family does not involve pairing up with a partner fo

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                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      Actually, I am planning on a trip the Africa,

                                      I'd say stop by me for a beer, but our local beers are nothing to speak of by world standards. Stop by for a braai! :)

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                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        Actually, I am planning on a trip the Africa,

                                        I'd say stop by me for a beer, but our local beers are nothing to speak of by world standards. Stop by for a braai! :)

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                                        sounds good

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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          I remember the times when I could say 'just two hours'. Two hours, is too long. Especially when I've seen this stuff before, it's nothing new to me.

                                          You haven't seen it. Just consolidate the two hours you spend typing to me to have enough time to watch the video.

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                                          If I can download an MPG, I will watch it on the plane, how's that ?

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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