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  • C Christopher Duncan

    My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

    Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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    Henry Minute
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    This[^] sounds about right! :)

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      This[^] sounds about right! :)

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      Funny guy. :)

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      • C Christopher Duncan

        My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

        Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        Christopher Duncan wrote:

        common sense Dos and Don'ts

        Do have a firewall Don't connect it to the 'Net :-D

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        • C Christopher Duncan

          My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

          Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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          John M Drescher
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          I am confused at what you are trying to do here. I mean most of the time with a firewall you block all ports and only expose the few services that you specifically want to allow access from the outside world.

          John

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            Funny guy. :)

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            Henry Minute
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            In an attempt to make up for my previous crassness. Some time ago I was converting an otherwise redundant PC into a *nix Firewall box. A friend recommended that I get a book 'Best-Damned-Firewall-Book-Period', or something very close to that, I never actually got it and so am unable to comment on its efficacy. It has also occurred to me that there may be a book specific to the make/model of firewall you have got, I have seen several for SonicWall products whilst browsing in book stores.

            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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              In an attempt to make up for my previous crassness. Some time ago I was converting an otherwise redundant PC into a *nix Firewall box. A friend recommended that I get a book 'Best-Damned-Firewall-Book-Period', or something very close to that, I never actually got it and so am unable to comment on its efficacy. It has also occurred to me that there may be a book specific to the make/model of firewall you have got, I have seen several for SonicWall products whilst browsing in book stores.

              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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              Christopher Duncan
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              Nothing crass about making a joke or poking friends in the ribs. :)

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                I am confused at what you are trying to do here. I mean most of the time with a firewall you block all ports and only expose the few services that you specifically want to allow access from the outside world.

                John

                modified on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:29 PM

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                Christopher Duncan
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                Yes, that's the issue exactly. I know that I want to enable ports for http, ftp and pop. What I don't know is how many other ports I should keep open that are used by legit services or software of which I may be unaware - Windows stuff, update services, etc. It's one of those "if I knew the exact question to ask I'd implicitly have the answer" kinda things.

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Christopher Duncan wrote:

                  common sense Dos and Don'ts

                  Do have a firewall Don't connect it to the 'Net :-D

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                  Christopher Duncan
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                  Oh my, but you comedians are just coming out of the woodwork today, aren't you? :)

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                  • C Christopher Duncan

                    My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

                    Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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                    Electron Shepherd
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                    Christopher Duncan wrote:

                    lock it down more than the default

                    If the default isn't completely locked down, you've got the wrong product. Amy firewall worth it's salt will allow no network traffic through it, in either direction, as a default. If you are not publishing any services, don't allow any inbound traffic. As a minimum, you would probably need to allow outbound on TCP ports 53 (dns zone xfer), 80 (web), 443 (secure web), 25 (smtp), 110 (pop3), and UDP port 53 (dns query) Then, keep an eye on the firewall's logs that tell you what traffic from the internal network was blocked, and decide if you need to allow that too. Examples might be TCP ports 22 (ssh), 23 (telnet) and 3389 (rdp), depending on the external systems you access.

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                    • C Christopher Duncan

                      Yes, that's the issue exactly. I know that I want to enable ports for http, ftp and pop. What I don't know is how many other ports I should keep open that are used by legit services or software of which I may be unaware - Windows stuff, update services, etc. It's one of those "if I knew the exact question to ask I'd implicitly have the answer" kinda things.

                      Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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                      Jim Crafton
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                      For what it's worth, on mine I just shut everything down but the general stuff (http, mail, etc). Everything seems to work OK. But I don't use IM, p2p, bit torrent, games or other stuff like that, so I may have an unusual setup.

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                        Christopher Duncan wrote:

                        lock it down more than the default

                        If the default isn't completely locked down, you've got the wrong product. Amy firewall worth it's salt will allow no network traffic through it, in either direction, as a default. If you are not publishing any services, don't allow any inbound traffic. As a minimum, you would probably need to allow outbound on TCP ports 53 (dns zone xfer), 80 (web), 443 (secure web), 25 (smtp), 110 (pop3), and UDP port 53 (dns query) Then, keep an eye on the firewall's logs that tell you what traffic from the internal network was blocked, and decide if you need to allow that too. Examples might be TCP ports 22 (ssh), 23 (telnet) and 3389 (rdp), depending on the external systems you access.

                        Server and Network Monitoring

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                        Electron Shepherd wrote:

                        Amy firewall worth it's salt

                        Amy Winehouse's more restrained sister?

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                          Electron Shepherd wrote:

                          Amy firewall worth it's salt

                          Amy Winehouse's more restrained sister?

                          Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Sounds more like the protection the Secret Service provided to Amy Carter.

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                          • C Christopher Duncan

                            Yes, that's the issue exactly. I know that I want to enable ports for http, ftp and pop. What I don't know is how many other ports I should keep open that are used by legit services or software of which I may be unaware - Windows stuff, update services, etc. It's one of those "if I knew the exact question to ask I'd implicitly have the answer" kinda things.

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                            John M Drescher
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                            None of these extra services should need incoming connections originating from the internet to work. Windows update initiates a connection to a Microsoft server not the other way around.

                            John

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                            • C Christopher Duncan

                              Yes, that's the issue exactly. I know that I want to enable ports for http, ftp and pop. What I don't know is how many other ports I should keep open that are used by legit services or software of which I may be unaware - Windows stuff, update services, etc. It's one of those "if I knew the exact question to ask I'd implicitly have the answer" kinda things.

                              Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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                              John M Drescher
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                              Christopher Duncan wrote:

                              I know that I want to enable ports for http, ftp and pop.

                              You only enable these if your pc is a mail server and/or webserver for users on the internet, otherwise these are locked down as well. Your ISP may be blocking access to these anyways. I know Comcast blocks http, ftp, ssh, and mail (smtp/pop).

                              John

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                                Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                lock it down more than the default

                                If the default isn't completely locked down, you've got the wrong product. Amy firewall worth it's salt will allow no network traffic through it, in either direction, as a default. If you are not publishing any services, don't allow any inbound traffic. As a minimum, you would probably need to allow outbound on TCP ports 53 (dns zone xfer), 80 (web), 443 (secure web), 25 (smtp), 110 (pop3), and UDP port 53 (dns query) Then, keep an eye on the firewall's logs that tell you what traffic from the internal network was blocked, and decide if you need to allow that too. Examples might be TCP ports 22 (ssh), 23 (telnet) and 3389 (rdp), depending on the external systems you access.

                                Server and Network Monitoring

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                                Christopher Duncan
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                                Good stuff, thanks.

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                                  Oh my, but you comedians are just coming out of the woodwork today, aren't you? :)

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                                  I get that all the time when I post a question :)

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                                  • C Christopher Duncan

                                    My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

                                    Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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                                    Here are some do's: 1- Don't forget to add antispoofing rules on the external interface. Anything (inbound) that is with a source address from the firewall or the internal network should be dropped silently. 2- Log everything that is destined to any firewall interface from the Internet. This will help detect if your firewall got hacked at some point or if someone is doing a DoS attack. 3- Run the least amount of services on your firewall. And don't: 1- Enable DNS lookups to just any DNS server. Only the DNS server from your ISP should be allowed. 2- Route private networks.

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                                      My previous firewall died today, after years of serving honorably. Services will be held this afternoon near the trash can that will be its final resting place. In setting up the new one, I thought I'd look into firewall settings in more detail to lock it down more than the default but (hopefully) without shooting myself in the foot in terms of day to day software hassles from over protection. Anyone know of good online reading for basic firewall port configuration for those of use who aren't network engineers? I don't want to make a career of this, but I suspect there are some common sense Dos and Don'ts.

                                      Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua!

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                                      Somewhere I should have some good papers on how to set up a firewall using Solaris, I used them to build a coroprate firewall using some AIX boxes we already happened to have. Can't give you any links but a search around Sun's site should find. Mine are about 15 years old and on paper, but I don't think that much has changed, except maybe the availability of NAT routers with DHCP. If you use the AIR firewall it'll be the only brick you'll need in that wall. :)

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