Are you working for free?
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
CurtD wrote:
In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer.
Yeah, Microsoft is really noted for treating their employees well. Ever hear the term "Microserf"?
CurtD wrote:
A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire.
I don't know how Google Kirkland is but I've been inside the main Google facility a number of times. The perks those people get are unbelievable.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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CurtD wrote:
In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer.
Yeah, Microsoft is really noted for treating their employees well. Ever hear the term "Microserf"?
CurtD wrote:
A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire.
I don't know how Google Kirkland is but I've been inside the main Google facility a number of times. The perks those people get are unbelievable.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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This is not my point. My point is, that non-google employees are happily working for free on Chrome and other projects for the "good of humanity" while google execs and stockholders rack in all the cash.
Suckers... Start your own company.... make amazing products.... change the world! :^)
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Suckers... Start your own company.... make amazing products.... change the world! :^)
Some moron over here one voted me. Jacka** :mad:
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
CurtD wrote:
How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in?
How many car enthusiasts do you know?
CurtD wrote:
He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free.
I'd bet you that there are hundreds of programmers here who would jump at the chance to work at either Google or MS...
CurtD wrote:
Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
But what? You do realize you're posting this on a site packed full of free articles with free code, donated by people who've also benefited in the past from free articles and free code... It's not a zero-sum game; think of the community barn-raisings of the past, where people cooperated to build things for each other that no one could build alone, together raising the capabilities and standard of living for the community as a whole!
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CurtD wrote:
How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in?
How many car enthusiasts do you know?
CurtD wrote:
He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free.
I'd bet you that there are hundreds of programmers here who would jump at the chance to work at either Google or MS...
CurtD wrote:
Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
But what? You do realize you're posting this on a site packed full of free articles with free code, donated by people who've also benefited in the past from free articles and free code... It's not a zero-sum game; think of the community barn-raisings of the past, where people cooperated to build things for each other that no one could build alone, together raising the capabilities and standard of living for the community as a whole!
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I realize that the thrill of working for the "community" has swept many off their feet, but do you see anything peculiar about the community raising a barn for a BILLIONAIRE?
CurtD wrote:
do you see anything peculiar about the community raising a barn for a BILLIONAIRE?
Who owns the barn? After the 19th-century industrialists built their empires on the backs of the working-class, they turned to philanthropy. But it was still their barn.
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
CurtD wrote:
Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
Capitalism is the worst economic model -- except for all the other's that have been tried.
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
Open Source - the idea that my blind grandma should take care of accessibility issues in this word processor because she's the one who needs it.
Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
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Sorry for the double-post, but this got swamped in the Lounge and I feel it deserves more discussion. With the advent of the open source “community”, we have gone from cheap, outsourced development to completely free development. Let’s look at what is happening at google with the Chromium project. http://blog.chromium.org/2009/06/plausible-promise.html[^] Open source projects aren't simply about a runnable binary, they're about the community of users, testers, and developers who devote their time and skills to working on a product they believe in. The last time I looked, google wasn't a charity. How many people donate their time and skills to working for Ford on a car they believe in? From http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit[^] In one TGIF in Kirkland, an employee informed Eric Schmidt that Microsoft’s benefits package was richer. He announced himself genuinely surprised, which genuinely surprised me. Schmidt, in the presence of witnesses, promised to bring the benefits to a par. He consulted HR, and HR informed him that it’d cost Google 22 million a year to do that. So he abandoned the promise and fell back on his tired, familiar standby (”People don’t work at Google for the money. They work at Google because they want to change the world!”). A statement that always seemed to me a little Louis XIV coming from a billionaire. Mr. Schmidt is truly brilliant – the pied piper of software development. He has made billions, and now has conned the “community” of sandal-clad geeks into working for him for free. Thank God we have people like Mr. Schmidt who will make the personal sacrifice to take on all of those headaches that come with being rich. As George Orwell said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Capitalism has been criticized as the little guy making the big guy rich. Well, no one is forcing these people to work for free -- but sh*t!
I have now open sourced my mortgage. Please contact me for payment details. Everyone in the community can contribute! All contributors will receive a photograph of my house and my family sitting, smiling on the porch. I hope everyone will do their fair share! Thanks!