All web-based applications will automatically work
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Marc Firth wrote:
All my media design apps, for example.
Sure. But meanwhile, GMail both loads, and responds, faster than my local installation of Outlook. Some things really do work better on the web. This will be about those things.
yeah I've got that problem - but I think it's an imap issue cos when I use exchange it's loads faster.
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yeah I've got that problem - but I think it's an imap issue cos when I use exchange it's loads faster.
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yeah ten feet and it's great. I presume yours is remote? Not worth it then?
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i ask because I was thinking about getting one for out of work
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yeah ten feet and it's great. I presume yours is remote? Not worth it then?
Marc Firth wrote:
yeah ten feet and it's great. I presume yours is remote? Not worth it then?
Heh, i can only imagine what that's like... It's not terrible, but startup time sucks, and large messages do drag it down a bit more. Oh, and i pull all my messages down to local .pst files - server storage is limited and maddeningly slow.
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Marc Firth wrote:
yeah ten feet and it's great. I presume yours is remote? Not worth it then?
Heh, i can only imagine what that's like... It's not terrible, but startup time sucks, and large messages do drag it down a bit more. Oh, and i pull all my messages down to local .pst files - server storage is limited and maddeningly slow.
IMAP's probably just as bad - ages to startup and shutdown. No deleted items folder ( i had to set up a rule to copy every new message to the deleted items). And cos I had Outlook as seperate packag, not part of office, there was no stationery support. Peachy. :doh: IMAP and windows live mail on the other hand was brilliant - quick too - but the WYSIWYG editor is useless and there is poor stationery support. And it'll cost a grand or so to get a local (SBS) exchange server together plus running charges, backup etc... :wtf: Think I'll just stick with what I've got.
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I'm just reading the Google Chrome OS article that was in today's daily news (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html[^]). I particularly like the line that says, "All web-based applications will automatically work" And there's another problem. At the moment the web is too slow to be an OS. Don't get me wrong I love the idea of moving as much as possible to the web - but I also understand that there are some things that should stay on the desktop. All my media design apps, for example.
I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...if they have to adopt Google OS for the lightweight stuff and still have to use Windows for the heavyweight stuff then why not do the lightweight stuff in Windows as well? Here in Canada the Telcos/Cablecos have gone hog wild with 'throttling' and are trying to bring in Usage Based Billing so they can charge by the byte...that's going to be a huge dose of ice water on a web based OS...all the horror stories we're always hearing about $11,000.00 data charges from the phone companies?...ferget about it.
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I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...if they have to adopt Google OS for the lightweight stuff and still have to use Windows for the heavyweight stuff then why not do the lightweight stuff in Windows as well? Here in Canada the Telcos/Cablecos have gone hog wild with 'throttling' and are trying to bring in Usage Based Billing so they can charge by the byte...that's going to be a huge dose of ice water on a web based OS...all the horror stories we're always hearing about $11,000.00 data charges from the phone companies?...ferget about it.
DaveX86 wrote:
I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...
My (EEE box[^]) came with XP Home and also had this partition that had a minimalistic OS to load a browser, Skype, email, and something else (can't remember)...and you're absolutely right: If I have to reboot into something else to actually get anything done, then it becomes utterly pointless. That partition was gone on the first day I had the machine...in fact, I blew it away before the CPU had time to warm up. So, to Google: good luck with that.
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DaveX86 wrote:
I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...
My (EEE box[^]) came with XP Home and also had this partition that had a minimalistic OS to load a browser, Skype, email, and something else (can't remember)...and you're absolutely right: If I have to reboot into something else to actually get anything done, then it becomes utterly pointless. That partition was gone on the first day I had the machine...in fact, I blew it away before the CPU had time to warm up. So, to Google: good luck with that.
Daniel Desormeaux wrote:
My (EEE box[^]) came with XP Home and also had this partition that had a minimalistic OS to load a browser, Skype, email, and something else (can't remember)...and you're absolutely right: If I have to reboot into something else to actually get anything done, then it becomes utterly pointless.
That more or less sums up my opinion of the similar splashtop OSes being stuffed into some DIY mobo BIOSes. If the penguins want to make them a viable option for anything other than a webtoy, they need to provide an option to transition to a full OS without a reboot. Ideally using idle clock cycles while you're surfing so that effectively you're just getting a usable browser when the OS is only 5% booted.
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DaveX86 wrote:
I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...
My (EEE box[^]) came with XP Home and also had this partition that had a minimalistic OS to load a browser, Skype, email, and something else (can't remember)...and you're absolutely right: If I have to reboot into something else to actually get anything done, then it becomes utterly pointless. That partition was gone on the first day I had the machine...in fact, I blew it away before the CPU had time to warm up. So, to Google: good luck with that.
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I don't think they'll be successful unless their OS is good at everything...people aren't going to want to have to use more than one OS...if they have to adopt Google OS for the lightweight stuff and still have to use Windows for the heavyweight stuff then why not do the lightweight stuff in Windows as well? Here in Canada the Telcos/Cablecos have gone hog wild with 'throttling' and are trying to bring in Usage Based Billing so they can charge by the byte...that's going to be a huge dose of ice water on a web based OS...all the horror stories we're always hearing about $11,000.00 data charges from the phone companies?...ferget about it.
Because a lot of people only want to do the lightweight stuff and want something cheap and fast? They don't even need most of the capabilities of a full-blown OS.
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Daniel Desormeaux wrote:
My (EEE box[^])
Looking is the pics on that link, is it in a case that requires you to open the door to power it up? X|
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dan neely wrote:
Looking is the pics on that link, is it in a case that requires you to open the door to power it up?
The first two pictures show the same perspective. It's just the same as the panel covering the front of any standard PC. You can leave it open, or take it off completely (no tool required, it's just a flimsy little plastic cover). Mine's turned on 24/7 anyway, I must've pressed the power button exactly 4 times since I got it last September. On top of that, it's mounted on the back of one of my monitors (screw holes for the mounting backet that came with it line up according to some VESA spec), so it's completely hidden.
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dan neely wrote:
Looking is the pics on that link, is it in a case that requires you to open the door to power it up?
The first two pictures show the same perspective. It's just the same as the panel covering the front of any standard PC. You can leave it open, or take it off completely (no tool required, it's just a flimsy little plastic cover). Mine's turned on 24/7 anyway, I must've pressed the power button exactly 4 times since I got it last September. On top of that, it's mounted on the back of one of my monitors (screw holes for the mounting backet that came with it line up according to some VESA spec), so it's completely hidden.
Front panel doors like that are second only to High on the Good Stuff "styling" on my design hate list. The problem is that while you can pull the door off, you've then got an overly recessed area on the front, that in all cases I've seen looks like crap, and a pair of big holes where the hinges were.
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Front panel doors like that are second only to High on the Good Stuff "styling" on my design hate list. The problem is that while you can pull the door off, you've then got an overly recessed area on the front, that in all cases I've seen looks like crap, and a pair of big holes where the hinges were.
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simply put: Everything that comes from the Internet has a progress bar on it. Get it? So, the web is good for: * Updating your desktop applications (there's a progress bar there) * Downloading files (another progress bar) * Showing you web pages (some browsers have progress bars) * Playing games (with lags of 50 milliseconds or so) * Watching videos is slow-motion * Text files, like HTML (some of them don't need progress bars) The web IS NOT good for: * Developing GUIs (takes forever to load iamges, fonts and other graphical objects, and JavaScript/DOM/XUL or whatever else google has, puh-lease!) * Storing data (takes forever to read or write anything) * Storing/loading applications (again JavaScript; and loading times would be infinite) * Multimedia applications * Privacy (put everything online, and what do you have? haxxors rule!)
Emil - Gabriel wrote:
The web IS NOT good for: * Developing GUIs (takes forever to load iamges, fonts and other graphical objects, and JavaScript/DOM/XUL or whatever else google has, puh-lease!) * Storing data (takes forever to read or write anything) * Storing/loading applications (again JavaScript; and loading times would be infinite) * Multimedia applications * Privacy (put everything online, and what do you have? haxxors rule!)
So then the concept of a cache isn't incorporated into cloud ideaology? Do tell.
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web is too slow to perform all the functionality of an OS running desktop apps
With the world slowest avarage speed around 1MB/s in africa and latency not more than a second it seems that can perform perfectly in cloud. Avarage size of the code on any application is not more than several MB. That means if the application does not require downloading startup data, they could execute pretty fast... and they will probably make downloading the code directly page into the memory, so no long boring write to hard-disk anymore. Well... you cannot play games like world of warcraft in cloud without fully download game data but... it works :)
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Yeah it's one of those point of view things I guess. Like "Buy one, get one free" - How could it be free - I had to buy one to get it! :laugh: