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    Pravarakhya
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    [Edit] Oops..just realised that this news is posted earlier by someone else. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3114776#xx3114776xx[^] This is shocking to me..three extra passengers on flight. :omg: One is made to sit in the cockpit and two were made to sit in the cabin crew seats during take off and landing (does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?). http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ai-stuffs-extra-passengers-on-a-flight-faces-action/96793-3.html[^] This news came into light only when authorities saw that the flight door is damaged..:confused:

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      [Edit] Oops..just realised that this news is posted earlier by someone else. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3114776#xx3114776xx[^] This is shocking to me..three extra passengers on flight. :omg: One is made to sit in the cockpit and two were made to sit in the cabin crew seats during take off and landing (does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?). http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ai-stuffs-extra-passengers-on-a-flight-faces-action/96793-3.html[^] This news came into light only when authorities saw that the flight door is damaged..:confused:

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      Chris Austin
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      It's a repost but I didn't think this was that big of a deal. I've ridden in the 'jump seat' more than once when flying using my father-in-law's perks with a major US carrier. I think recent regulation has now forbidden it since 9/11. I could see a paying passenger not liking this as it an uncomfortable way to travel

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        It's a repost but I didn't think this was that big of a deal. I've ridden in the 'jump seat' more than once when flying using my father-in-law's perks with a major US carrier. I think recent regulation has now forbidden it since 9/11. I could see a paying passenger not liking this as it an uncomfortable way to travel

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        Chris Austin wrote:

        It's a repost

        Sorry I didnt see the earlier post about the same.

        Chris Austin wrote:

        I didn't think this was that big of a deal.

        I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.:~

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          Chris Austin wrote:

          It's a repost

          Sorry I didnt see the earlier post about the same.

          Chris Austin wrote:

          I didn't think this was that big of a deal.

          I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.:~

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          Pravarakhya wrote:

          I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control

          They have plenty of overcapacity you know, 3 extra passengers really aren't going to cause weight problems. edit: that said, they really shouldn't have. Flight regulations exist for good reasons, and while adding 3 passengers isn't exactly dangerous, these rules (unlike others) are not made to be broken.

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            Pravarakhya wrote:

            I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control

            They have plenty of overcapacity you know, 3 extra passengers really aren't going to cause weight problems. edit: that said, they really shouldn't have. Flight regulations exist for good reasons, and while adding 3 passengers isn't exactly dangerous, these rules (unlike others) are not made to be broken.

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            Corporal Agarn
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            I have been on planes where they take cargo off (luggage) to have less weight.

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              Pravarakhya wrote:

              I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control

              They have plenty of overcapacity you know, 3 extra passengers really aren't going to cause weight problems. edit: that said, they really shouldn't have. Flight regulations exist for good reasons, and while adding 3 passengers isn't exactly dangerous, these rules (unlike others) are not made to be broken.

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                Chris Austin wrote:

                It's a repost

                Sorry I didnt see the earlier post about the same.

                Chris Austin wrote:

                I didn't think this was that big of a deal.

                I think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.:~

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                Pravarakhya wrote:

                think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.

                I'm guessing you are not an engineer and haven't hung out with very many. With something like an airplane weighing on the order of 80,000lbs (at a minimum) you would be out of your mind to have tolerances so tight that (assuming 150lbs per person) 450lbs would cause a loss of control.

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                  I have been on planes where they take cargo off (luggage) to have less weight.

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                  That was not to avoid loss of control, but to be within the safety regulations.

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                    I have been on planes where they take cargo off (luggage) to have less weight.

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                    I used to fly two or three times a week on short and medium trips; I've never seen that but I've heard it from others once or twice.

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                      [Edit] Oops..just realised that this news is posted earlier by someone else. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3114776#xx3114776xx[^] This is shocking to me..three extra passengers on flight. :omg: One is made to sit in the cockpit and two were made to sit in the cabin crew seats during take off and landing (does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?). http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ai-stuffs-extra-passengers-on-a-flight-faces-action/96793-3.html[^] This news came into light only when authorities saw that the flight door is damaged..:confused:

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                      Yes. It would be fun.

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                        Pravarakhya wrote:

                        think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.

                        I'm guessing you are not an engineer and haven't hung out with very many. With something like an airplane weighing on the order of 80,000lbs (at a minimum) you would be out of your mind to have tolerances so tight that (assuming 150lbs per person) 450lbs would cause a loss of control.

                        Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                        for small planes, the chance of being over-weight is definitely a concern. but a commercial jet liner is obviously not a small plane.

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                          for small planes, the chance of being over-weight is definitely a concern. but a commercial jet liner is obviously not a small plane.

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                          Chris Losinger wrote:

                          for small planes, the chance of being over-weight is definitely a concern

                          Oh yeah. My wife's uncle owns a small cesna and would tease me about safety and fuel consumption when I was gaining sympathy weight when my wife was pregnant. :laugh:

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                            Pravarakhya wrote:

                            think it is dangerous, with extra passengers, aircraft will be over weight and may lose control.

                            I'm guessing you are not an engineer and haven't hung out with very many. With something like an airplane weighing on the order of 80,000lbs (at a minimum) you would be out of your mind to have tolerances so tight that (assuming 150lbs per person) 450lbs would cause a loss of control.

                            Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                            Your guess is wrong, I'm an engineer and two of my uncles are aircraft engineers :-\ Dont go by the weights, 80,000 lbs aircraft can be out of control with a 1 lb bird hit. ;P Airline standards are there for a reason. There is something called MTOW (Maximum Allowable Take Off Weight) and also the evacuation procedures are affected by additional passengers. I'm not saying 3 additional PAX would surely be dangerous, but there is a possibility if there is a breach of standards.

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                              Your guess is wrong, I'm an engineer and two of my uncles are aircraft engineers :-\ Dont go by the weights, 80,000 lbs aircraft can be out of control with a 1 lb bird hit. ;P Airline standards are there for a reason. There is something called MTOW (Maximum Allowable Take Off Weight) and also the evacuation procedures are affected by additional passengers. I'm not saying 3 additional PAX would surely be dangerous, but there is a possibility if there is a breach of standards.

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                              And if 200 passengers weigh 5% more than the standard calculation then you're in effect carrying 10 more passengers. Chris is still right, you cannot work with margins that small on a vessel that large. A 1lb bird striking a commercial jet is going to have to hit something critical. Really critical. And it won't be the additional weight of a splattered bird that'll have the effect. It'll be the sudden application of an opposing force bending something important.

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                                [Edit] Oops..just realised that this news is posted earlier by someone else. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3114776#xx3114776xx[^] This is shocking to me..three extra passengers on flight. :omg: One is made to sit in the cockpit and two were made to sit in the cabin crew seats during take off and landing (does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?). http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ai-stuffs-extra-passengers-on-a-flight-faces-action/96793-3.html[^] This news came into light only when authorities saw that the flight door is damaged..:confused:

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                                Sorry! I've been watching too much Airplane. :-D

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                                  [Edit] Oops..just realised that this news is posted earlier by someone else. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3114776#xx3114776xx[^] This is shocking to me..three extra passengers on flight. :omg: One is made to sit in the cockpit and two were made to sit in the cabin crew seats during take off and landing (does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?). http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ai-stuffs-extra-passengers-on-a-flight-faces-action/96793-3.html[^] This news came into light only when authorities saw that the flight door is damaged..:confused:

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                                  Pravarakhya wrote:

                                  does that mean they were standing in flight during the rest of the flight?

                                  This is Air India we are talking about. It could have been worse they could have been told that there was no more room for them on the flight which would have resulted in them standing on a bus for a few days to make the trip.

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