How to write requirements for this?
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
I'm glad the weekend is coming.
yeah, and monday is only 2 days away !!! ;P give the client a "real" money estimate for a "full customizable" application; me think he will think twice about asking you to do it.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Configurability 1. The application shall be written so that changes can be made, based on client requests. A. Development time will be billed at the standard rate.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Well that's simple. Make a plugin application which loads an assembly. Make one of the default plugins a compiler which automatically adds a reference to your application. Depending on how much you hate them, give them the C++/CLI compiler; if you like them, let them use the C# compiler :-D
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Just sell him a copy of Visual Studio. That way he can configure things as he pleases.
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Well that is almost how it starts and then you go into details and further details and further till you get things clear. Every single project for me has been like that. It is almost impossible to know anything during the start of a project. You have to work through all these ambiguities. The only time where it was not the case was when I was porting applications to a different platform.
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Well that is almost how it starts and then you go into details and further details and further till you get things clear. Every single project for me has been like that. It is almost impossible to know anything during the start of a project. You have to work through all these ambiguities. The only time where it was not the case was when I was porting applications to a different platform.
Not my first time around the block nor is it the first time for this client. It hasn't gotten any better than, I want to change everything.
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Just sell him a copy of Visual Studio. That way he can configure things as he pleases.
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
He seriously asked of I could teach him how to use VS. X|
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Not my first time around the block nor is it the first time for this client. It hasn't gotten any better than, I want to change everything.
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IMHO, ability to tackle such ambiguities is what differentiates a developer from a coder.
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IMHO, ability to tackle such ambiguities is what differentiates a developer from a coder.
When are you available to meet with this client so you can show me how it's done since you have obviously placed me in the latter category.
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When are you available to meet with this client so you can show me how it's done since you have obviously placed me in the latter category.
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I did not and I am sorry if it appeared so. I concluded from your post that you have worked with this client before and successfully completed projects with him. So you might have had similar conclusions.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Give him a book on programming. On one job I had, one of my first tasks was to update a programm that was "configurable". It produced a fixed-length data file for a third-party product. The sizes and positions of the fields could be altered in the configuration file... but I had to add two fields. The hoops I had to go through to wire up the new fields in the configuration system were much more time-consuming than if the program hadn't been configurable to begin with. A few years later I had to alter the program again, this time to use a different third-party product (which used CSV files). And yet other clients wanted to use different third-party products, so third and fourth variations of the program were called for. Eventually I had had enough and rewrote the program entirely. The only real difference between the versions was the functions to read and the write the files, so I wrote a group of functions with the formats hard-coded and used function pointers to select the appropriate functions depending on the configuration (this was in C). Today I would define an interface (IFormatData ?), have appropriate classes implement it, and then use plug-ins (with dynamic loading) to achieve the same thing. I don't think the original configurablity was ever used, but someone must have thought it would be neat to have just in case; all it did was make the job more difficult. Don't plan for the future unless you're sure what the future will require.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Steps for success. 1. Find an old copy of Access 2000 lying around. 2. Hand it to him. 3. Back slowly out of the room. 4. Bill him $10k for delivering *configurable* software. 5. Drink. 6. Repeat step 5.
1. Find an old copy of Access 2000 lying around. 2. Hand it to him. 3. Back slowly out of the room. 4. Bill him $10k for delivering *configurable* software. 5. Drink. 6. Bill monthly maintenance fee 7. Repeat step 5.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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I think I did some work for your client's identical twin, a few years ago. :)
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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The only thing that needs to be changed is the client. Run, don't walk away from this idiot.
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I was going through a preliminary design session with a client who kept saying the application has to be configurable. Me: OK, tell me what that means to you? Client: I have to be able to change the application without calling you. Me: That's fine. What things would you like to be able to change? Client: I don't know what I want to change, I just know I want to change it. :omg: :wtf: I'm glad the weekend is coming.
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Write a programming language for him... :rolleyes:
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I did not and I am sorry if it appeared so. I concluded from your post that you have worked with this client before and successfully completed projects with him. So you might have had similar conclusions.
Mark is just having a rant, if he's been down this path before he knows that every client wants the world and will end up with a patch they can use. And I agree with you, working through the early meetings is the real art of being a developer, it is what supplies the real satisfaction at the end of a project when your client makes the last development payment (aways begrudgingly).
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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He seriously asked of I could teach him how to use VS. X|
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I recently got ragged on by a very senior MD (they have lots) for changing the development language from VB to C#, he cannot read C#, has trouble with the syntax. The development team however have not complained.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
