Clinton on FireFox in State Department "Town Hall" meeting (link and excerpt)
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Who said that they were worried about costs. Why they did of course. They are politicians, they HAVE to appear concerned about costs when in public, regardless of how many trillions they are actually wasting. With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar".
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Henry Minute wrote:
"politician == liar".
Agreed. I'd go a bit further and call them criminals.
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Henry Minute wrote:
, who but a moron would actually expect to get an answer on a technical subject from two politicians?
FTFY.
Rob Graham wrote:
who but a moron would actually expect to get a truthfull and short answer on a technical subject from two politicians?
FTFY. :laugh:
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Who said that they were worried about costs. Why they did of course. They are politicians, they HAVE to appear concerned about costs when in public, regardless of how many trillions they are actually wasting. With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar".
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar".
"How can you tell when a politician is lying? His lips move."
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So my tax dollars are going towards upgrading people to Firefox. I guess I've seen worse uses of my money.
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Judah Himango wrote:
I guess I've seen worse uses of my money.
Heh... i thought of one immediately when i saw this post... I remember a time i was in some Gov't office, where the woman working there was trying to describe to me a website i was supposed to visit. She showed me the login page, but was unable to go past that - the site would log her in successfully, but immediately forget that it had done so. So i took a look... The browser had been configured to refuse cookies for any site not on the local intranet. I changed it, the site worked, i restarted the browser, it reset to not allow cookies again. Changed the setting, had the gal show me the rest of the site, and walked her through the process of changing the option so she'd have less trouble helping the next person. I can only imagine how much of that public servant's time (not to mention that of the public she was there to help...) that local Gov't's IT agency wasted with their paranoid configuration.
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The real support cost is probably more in terms of making all their intranet sites work with FF, not in supporting the browser itself. Again, do you really expect a pair of suits to know all the details of a technical question when blindsided?
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The real support cost is probably more in terms of making all their intranet sites work with FF, not in supporting the browser itself. Again, do you really expect a pair of suits to know all the details of a technical question when blindsided?
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the State Dept has 25,000+ employees - many of whom deal with extremely sensitive info - with offices in every country (embassies). that's a logistical nightmare. i would not want to be in charge of pushing new versions of anything out to that kind of group. :omg:
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the State Dept has 25,000+ employees - many of whom deal with extremely sensitive info - with offices in every country (embassies). that's a logistical nightmare. i would not want to be in charge of pushing new versions of anything out to that kind of group. :omg:
Deploying an app to all the normal workstations in the state dept would be no worse than doing the same to all the work stations in a large company with numerous branch office locations. Doing the same to secure workstations is probably a lot harder, i doubt you can run an enterprise windows update server over siprnet, but the security constraints/overhead from them shouldn't be driving the maintenance program for the rest of your systems.
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I would disagree. I believe most of the cost is testing patches before deployment to make sure there are no "gifts" from the vendor, then pushing "approved" patches to clients. Support for FF is assumed by page developers.
Unless all their devs were serious about maintaining cross browser compatibility despite an official ban on non-MS browsers*; I'm almost certain that the cost of unbreaking the intranet will dwarf that of support. * if you believe this I've got some ocean front property in Nevada I want to sell you. :rolleyes:
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the State Dept has 25,000+ employees - many of whom deal with extremely sensitive info - with offices in every country (embassies). that's a logistical nightmare. i would not want to be in charge of pushing new versions of anything out to that kind of group. :omg:
don't know about that, it's a very interesting challenge!! :omg:
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Who said that they were worried about costs. Why they did of course. They are politicians, they HAVE to appear concerned about costs when in public, regardless of how many trillions they are actually wasting. With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar".
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar". Fixed. Though I can't imagine, what if anything you'd have to pay for (I'm in no means versed in a large deployments of programs) when "upgrading" to Firefox. Don't yell at me, I just think it'd be as simple as just instructing people to download and install it. EDIT: Unless, you'd have to fix all the internal sites and crap to work with it. Then it might be a problem.
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With a few notable exceptions "politician == liar". Fixed. Though I can't imagine, what if anything you'd have to pay for (I'm in no means versed in a large deployments of programs) when "upgrading" to Firefox. Don't yell at me, I just think it'd be as simple as just instructing people to download and install it. EDIT: Unless, you'd have to fix all the internal sites and crap to work with it. Then it might be a problem.
robertw019 wrote:
EDIT: Unless, you'd have to fix all the internal sites and crap to work with it. Then it might be a problem.
Well there could indeed, be some of that, but mostly the costs revolve around training support staff to deal with the thousands of queries that would arise with the introduction of a new product. Also they would have to insist that all users had the same version, so they (the users) would probably not be allowed to download it like we all do. It would either have to be distributed on some form of storage media, or over their internal network, both scenarios involving costs. Then of course is the installation. Many of the users would not be able to do this unassisted.
robertw019 wrote:
Don't yell at me
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I'D DO THAT?????:mad::mad:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Deploying an app to all the normal workstations in the state dept would be no worse than doing the same to all the work stations in a large company with numerous branch office locations. Doing the same to secure workstations is probably a lot harder, i doubt you can run an enterprise windows update server over siprnet, but the security constraints/overhead from them shouldn't be driving the maintenance program for the rest of your systems.
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:wtf: Stop and think about what you just said for a second. Do you have any idea what their IT guys must make? I don't either but I bet it's a *lot* more on average than any random large company. The person in the quote gave an entirely correct answer about the cost, in fact they actually understated it quite a bit.
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:wtf: Stop and think about what you just said for a second. Do you have any idea what their IT guys must make? I don't either but I bet it's a *lot* more on average than any random large company. The person in the quote gave an entirely correct answer about the cost, in fact they actually understated it quite a bit.
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Deploying an app to all the normal workstations in the state dept would be no worse than doing the same to all the work stations in a large company with numerous branch office locations. Doing the same to secure workstations is probably a lot harder, i doubt you can run an enterprise windows update server over siprnet, but the security constraints/overhead from them shouldn't be driving the maintenance program for the rest of your systems.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
Nice sig :-D Although the European way was more like: Blow your own continent up and force your colonies to blow theirs up too.
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Nice sig :-D Although the European way was more like: Blow your own continent up and force your colonies to blow theirs up too.
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
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I'd argue that at best you're referring to a secondary effect. On a large scale I don't think the colonies ever blew themselves up anywhere near as thoroughly as Europe did to itself.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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I'd argue that at best you're referring to a secondary effect. On a large scale I don't think the colonies ever blew themselves up anywhere near as thoroughly as Europe did to itself.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
French and British colonies in North America and Asia, for instance, went to war every time France and Britain went to war. It happened with other colonial powers too. Africa saw a lot of fighting in WW2, despite the fact that none of the aggressors were African. Indian history is full of proxy wars between French-backed and British-backed Princely states, and later, French colonies and British colonies.
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