Weight Loss
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
PS please forgive for any grammar and punctuation errors, I've already spent more time typing this than I should have. I guess I just feel passionately about the topic.
I can tell. I suppose at the moment going thorougth lack of motivation but heading back to gym tonight and hopefully will be able to do a good set. 21min HIIT and Abs.
Weight loss Target Weight at start [1/Feb/2009] 127kg Weight now [24/Jul/2009] 108kg Target weight : 80kg Only 28 TO go hope to be there by March Wish me luck!
Don't spend too much time on abs. I'm not saying you shouldn't do them, but if your stats are correct at 108 kilos, you've got a long way to go before you'll be seeing those. I'm 6 feet and, currently at 82 kilos, I can feel abs, they are there, but I still can't see them. I'm getting close though. Just another 10-15 kilos or so. I don't go to gym because of time limitations, I usually work out at home, but if you're going to gym, I'd recommend skipping weight machines et al, and go straight for weight training, deadlift and barbel squats. That's what I'd be doing if I had more time to actually go to gym. Weight machines are fine if you want to exercise a particular set of muscles that cannot be done with weight training, but weight training will give you better results at this stage.
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There are already good suggestions above me, but I will add some more. First congrats on losing so much weight, at the very least it shows that you're serious about it which means you're already half way there. You just need more time. I myself have been trying to get in better shape for a year, and I must stress, it takes a frigging long time. Do not be discouraged if you do not see results fast enough. Chances are it took you a long time to put on this weight, and it will take you long time to get it off. Good news is, it's possible and except for a few genetic freaks everyone can do it given enough persistence. Before I go on I must say that being skinny and being athletic are two completely different things. I say this because people often confuse them and they are not the same. Being skinny means that you have low body fat percentage, but it doesn't mean that you also have a lot of muscle on you and it doesn't mean that you can do triathlons. Being athletic means you actually have muscle on you, you can actually do physical activity, you can bike, hike and run without feeling like you're about to have a heart attack. Although not common, there are skinny un-athletic people who look like a stick and have trouble lifting more than 50 pounds and there are slightly overweight athletic people (american football players is a good example). If you want to get in great shape you need two things: you need to lose fat first, and after you did that then you need to build your stamina, endurance and muscles. Typically you cannot do both at the same time, and exercising while you still have a lot of fat is more difficult because your heart must work harder pumping blood through your body. Most helpful thing you can do is start counting your calories. I know it sounds embarrassing for a man to count calories, after all, WE ARE FARKING MEN, RAWRRRRRRR. However, calories are everything. To put it simply, your body need certain number of calories throughout the day to survive. This number will vary on a number of factors such as gender, height, genetics and physical activity throughout the day. There are calculators on the web, they are all approximate but they should give you an idea where to shoot for. If you want to lose fat, you have to eat less calories than your body needs throughout a day. You have to be careful because if you eat too few calories you will also start to lose muscle mass along with fat (your body might shift into survival mode) and you might become one of those skinny un-athletic people wi
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
If you want to get in great shape you need two things: you need to lose fat first, and after you did that then you need to build your stamina, endurance and muscles. Typically you cannot do both at the same time, and exercising while you still have a lot of fat is more difficult because your heart must work harder pumping blood through your body.
Great post, but I disagree a bit with what you said here. I believe it's more effective for someone who is overweight and out of condition to begin an exercise program appropriate to their health at the same time that they begin losing the weight. While someone who is severely obese may not be up to running or biking long distances, or 90 minute gym sessions, they can do activities that will improve their overall health and not injure themselves in the process. Even mild exercise, like a ten minute walk after each meal, is sufficient to produce noticeable benefits. The key is to design a program appropriate to your overall health and condition. Sometimes your doctor can help. Most gyms will have one or more physical trainers on staff, and the better ones will help design a program that's 'doable' within any constraints you have. Lastly, exercise has a mental benefit over and above the physical. Folks who are trying to recover a state of fitness are becoming more aware of their body and how it feels. Exercise helps displace the "bad pain" of feeling fat with the "good pain" of "I just worked out, and boy am I tired."
Software Zen:
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It's all up to you. Generally, the more the better! Do 10 every morning right after you wake up for a week. Not much, right? Next week, up it to 12 every morning. Continue to up the reps, and soon you'll be doing sit-ups like crazy, and your belly will become flatter. Some say that if you train your belly muscles, you should also train your back muscles, so that your posture won't suffer. Training your lower back is easy: lie face down, and raise your upper body from the floor. Sort of like an inverted sit-up. Do one for each sit-up? (Your belly won't be flat in 1 week, but after a month or two, you will start to notice a difference. I've been there! :))
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Some say that if you train your belly muscles, you should also train your back muscles, so that your posture won't suffer. Training your lower back is easy: lie face down, and raise your upper body from the floor. Sort of like an inverted sit-up. Do one for each sit-up?
That's good advice for anyone who spends all day sat down too, prevents getting an achy back. Hamstring stretches too help with that.
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Okay, so far I've managed to loss 19kg (that's just under 3 stone of weight) but almost none of it is coming from my belly at the moment. Any suggestions from anyone out there how to shift the belly fat? Thanks
Hi HopingToCode, Congraulations (I think) on your weight loss. Before I respond to your post, would you mind sharing how rapidly you have lost this weight, what your daily intake of what types of fluids is, and whether or not you engage in aerobic exercise (exercise where your heartbeat is raised to a certain minimum level [threshold varies by age, weight, metabolism] for a certain minimum amount of time) ? Do you know your BMI (Body Mass Index). Any history of diabetes in your family ? Do you have any cyclic history of large fluctuations of weight ? Are you on any medications that might be affecting your metabolc rate ? Just one comment now : stress alone can raise cortisol levels which can affect abdominal fat. If you are female (I think you are male, but not completely sure), there are some other factors for you to consider, also. Your age is important here. No, I'm not a doctor, just fairly well informed on the topic. The more details you share, the more others here may offer you some insights, as well. If I respond further, it will be to point you to information which is scientific; i.e., reflecting the opinions of scientists and licensed Medical Doctors. to your health, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Hi HopingToCode, Congraulations (I think) on your weight loss. Before I respond to your post, would you mind sharing how rapidly you have lost this weight, what your daily intake of what types of fluids is, and whether or not you engage in aerobic exercise (exercise where your heartbeat is raised to a certain minimum level [threshold varies by age, weight, metabolism] for a certain minimum amount of time) ? Do you know your BMI (Body Mass Index). Any history of diabetes in your family ? Do you have any cyclic history of large fluctuations of weight ? Are you on any medications that might be affecting your metabolc rate ? Just one comment now : stress alone can raise cortisol levels which can affect abdominal fat. If you are female (I think you are male, but not completely sure), there are some other factors for you to consider, also. Your age is important here. No, I'm not a doctor, just fairly well informed on the topic. The more details you share, the more others here may offer you some insights, as well. If I respond further, it will be to point you to information which is scientific; i.e., reflecting the opinions of scientists and licensed Medical Doctors. to your health, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
I take it you haven't seen my new sig. Weight at start [1/Feb/2009] 127kg Weight now [24/Jul/2009] 108kg I do need to drink more water but I find it hard to remember I'm doing gym 6 times a week(okay this week 5 as I moved house) at the moment. 3 times a week resistance and 3 times cardio with at least one being HIIT. bmi is obese not sure of it at the moment. No real fluctuations just always been big. Mum was diabetic. No medications. Stress goes up and down but nothing abnormal. Male 32 Help that paints a pic.
Weight loss Target Weight at start [1/Feb/2009] 127kg Weight now [24/Jul/2009] 108kg Target weight : 80kg Only 28 TO go hope to be there by March Wish me luck!
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
If you want to get in great shape you need two things: you need to lose fat first, and after you did that then you need to build your stamina, endurance and muscles. Typically you cannot do both at the same time, and exercising while you still have a lot of fat is more difficult because your heart must work harder pumping blood through your body.
Great post, but I disagree a bit with what you said here. I believe it's more effective for someone who is overweight and out of condition to begin an exercise program appropriate to their health at the same time that they begin losing the weight. While someone who is severely obese may not be up to running or biking long distances, or 90 minute gym sessions, they can do activities that will improve their overall health and not injure themselves in the process. Even mild exercise, like a ten minute walk after each meal, is sufficient to produce noticeable benefits. The key is to design a program appropriate to your overall health and condition. Sometimes your doctor can help. Most gyms will have one or more physical trainers on staff, and the better ones will help design a program that's 'doable' within any constraints you have. Lastly, exercise has a mental benefit over and above the physical. Folks who are trying to recover a state of fitness are becoming more aware of their body and how it feels. Exercise helps displace the "bad pain" of feeling fat with the "good pain" of "I just worked out, and boy am I tired."
Software Zen:
delete this;I wasn't saying he shouldn't exercise. I was saying it's very hard if not nearly impossible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. In order to lose fat you need to eat less, in order to gain muscle you need to eat more so that body can build more muscles from food. Human body is not very efficient at converting fat into muscle, so typically you either cut fat, or build muscle. That said yes, exercise is still important, if nothing else it builds stamina and eases person into more intense workout as he drops the fat.
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Okay, so far I've managed to loss 19kg (that's just under 3 stone of weight) but almost none of it is coming from my belly at the moment. Any suggestions from anyone out there how to shift the belly fat? Thanks
:rolleyes: Yes, lose more weight. The human body *always* redistributes fat evenly throughout the body whatever amount of excess fat you have. If you want to *see* if you are losing weight then look at your clavicals and shoulder area because the fat is generally thinnest there so you will see changes there first. I thought it was well known general knowledge at this point that the only way to reduce fat from a particular place in the body is to cut it out with a knife or one of those suction machines. Read this for a realistic no bull description of everything weight and calorie related: http://www.hussmanfitness.org/theFridge.html[^] And take advantage of passive weight loss, i.e. the more muscle tissue you have the more calories are being burned just sitting around or sleeping.
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
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There are already good suggestions above me, but I will add some more. First congrats on losing so much weight, at the very least it shows that you're serious about it which means you're already half way there. You just need more time. I myself have been trying to get in better shape for a year, and I must stress, it takes a frigging long time. Do not be discouraged if you do not see results fast enough. Chances are it took you a long time to put on this weight, and it will take you long time to get it off. Good news is, it's possible and except for a few genetic freaks everyone can do it given enough persistence. Before I go on I must say that being skinny and being athletic are two completely different things. I say this because people often confuse them and they are not the same. Being skinny means that you have low body fat percentage, but it doesn't mean that you also have a lot of muscle on you and it doesn't mean that you can do triathlons. Being athletic means you actually have muscle on you, you can actually do physical activity, you can bike, hike and run without feeling like you're about to have a heart attack. Although not common, there are skinny un-athletic people who look like a stick and have trouble lifting more than 50 pounds and there are slightly overweight athletic people (american football players is a good example). If you want to get in great shape you need two things: you need to lose fat first, and after you did that then you need to build your stamina, endurance and muscles. Typically you cannot do both at the same time, and exercising while you still have a lot of fat is more difficult because your heart must work harder pumping blood through your body. Most helpful thing you can do is start counting your calories. I know it sounds embarrassing for a man to count calories, after all, WE ARE FARKING MEN, RAWRRRRRRR. However, calories are everything. To put it simply, your body need certain number of calories throughout the day to survive. This number will vary on a number of factors such as gender, height, genetics and physical activity throughout the day. There are calculators on the web, they are all approximate but they should give you an idea where to shoot for. If you want to lose fat, you have to eat less calories than your body needs throughout a day. You have to be careful because if you eat too few calories you will also start to lose muscle mass along with fat (your body might shift into survival mode) and you might become one of those skinny un-athletic people wi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
You need to use endurance exercise to burn the fat, diet will not do enough.
Technically no he doesn't. As long as he eats less calories than he expands in a day, he will lose weight. However, human body can also dissolve muscles for energy, not just fat, so exercising will help maximizing fat loss and minimize muscle loss. To the OP, I wasn't saying you shouldn't exercise, you definitely should if you want better and faster results. Plus being skinny doesn't mean being in great shape. If you haven't been exercising a lot, even if you lose weight and become skinny you still won't be able to run 3 miles, and that actually matters more than getting your body down to single digit body fat percentage.
Cutting intake only will result in a small short term drop (unless you slash by a very large amount). All the fat cells in your body are burning calories keeping themselves alive; with the result that just sitting and browsing CP I'm burning more calories than a skinny guy half my size. Not a 2x difference since when being sedentary the brain's a major source of energy consumption; but during exercise it gets close.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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JazzJackRabbit wrote:
If you want to get in great shape you need two things: you need to lose fat first, and after you did that then you need to build your stamina, endurance and muscles. Typically you cannot do both at the same time, and exercising while you still have a lot of fat is more difficult because your heart must work harder pumping blood through your body.
Great post, but I disagree a bit with what you said here. I believe it's more effective for someone who is overweight and out of condition to begin an exercise program appropriate to their health at the same time that they begin losing the weight. While someone who is severely obese may not be up to running or biking long distances, or 90 minute gym sessions, they can do activities that will improve their overall health and not injure themselves in the process. Even mild exercise, like a ten minute walk after each meal, is sufficient to produce noticeable benefits. The key is to design a program appropriate to your overall health and condition. Sometimes your doctor can help. Most gyms will have one or more physical trainers on staff, and the better ones will help design a program that's 'doable' within any constraints you have. Lastly, exercise has a mental benefit over and above the physical. Folks who are trying to recover a state of fitness are becoming more aware of their body and how it feels. Exercise helps displace the "bad pain" of feeling fat with the "good pain" of "I just worked out, and boy am I tired."
Software Zen:
delete this;Once you get seriously overweight it's not just a question of being "up to it". Even if you have the heart/lung capacity and sufficient muscles jogging/running at >300lbs will beat the crap out of your joints and gift you with early arthritis in the knees. At even higher weights almost anything except swimming (since that supports the whole body evenly) will do joint damage.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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Once you get seriously overweight it's not just a question of being "up to it". Even if you have the heart/lung capacity and sufficient muscles jogging/running at >300lbs will beat the crap out of your joints and gift you with early arthritis in the knees. At even higher weights almost anything except swimming (since that supports the whole body evenly) will do joint damage.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
Exactly my point. Folks who are in that condition who want to improve their health can do so, including exercise, but they need to devise a program that is appropriate. For some folks, 'appropriate' might be the ten minute walk after each meal that I suggested. For others, it might be 30 minutes in the pool or on a bike. Pick something that gets your body moving and expending more energy than that required to pick up the remote and change channels.
Software Zen:
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How often though? there seems to be people who say everyday and others 2 -3 times a week!
hopingToCode wrote:
How often though? there seems to be people who say everyday and others 2 -3 times a week!
If you're trying to build muscle (fewer reps + more weight + target specific areas) then no more than every other day. If you're going for endurance / fat loss / general fitness then everyday is fine. But as others have said, you can't target fat loss areas.
Todd Smith
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:rolleyes: Yes, lose more weight. The human body *always* redistributes fat evenly throughout the body whatever amount of excess fat you have. If you want to *see* if you are losing weight then look at your clavicals and shoulder area because the fat is generally thinnest there so you will see changes there first. I thought it was well known general knowledge at this point that the only way to reduce fat from a particular place in the body is to cut it out with a knife or one of those suction machines. Read this for a realistic no bull description of everything weight and calorie related: http://www.hussmanfitness.org/theFridge.html[^] And take advantage of passive weight loss, i.e. the more muscle tissue you have the more calories are being burned just sitting around or sleeping.
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
John C wrote:
Yes, lose more weight. The human body *always* redistributes fat evenly throughout the body whatever amount of excess fat you have.
Hi JohnC, I have to say that this statement indicates to me you have a profound lack of knowledge of the human body, what fat is, and how we have evolved to store it in certain locations, and the fact the human female stores fat in a very different pattern. Not only can stress alone cause unusual abdominal fat storage (via raised cortisol level), unusual abdominal fat alone is a marker for greatly increased risk of cardio-vascular incident or failure. Not only do patterns of fat distrubution vary by genetic heritage, and "racial" heritage, clearly lifestyle and adaptation to environment shape it : to wit, Arctic peoples whose diet consists of a very high percentage of animal meat and fats and, in the past, virtually zero vegetable, fruits. The interaction of your basal metabolic rate (which relates to your genetic heritage and "body type") is a complex interplay of mutually modifying dynamic systems. Time for you to do some reading. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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I take it you haven't seen my new sig. Weight at start [1/Feb/2009] 127kg Weight now [24/Jul/2009] 108kg I do need to drink more water but I find it hard to remember I'm doing gym 6 times a week(okay this week 5 as I moved house) at the moment. 3 times a week resistance and 3 times cardio with at least one being HIIT. bmi is obese not sure of it at the moment. No real fluctuations just always been big. Mum was diabetic. No medications. Stress goes up and down but nothing abnormal. Male 32 Help that paints a pic.
Weight loss Target Weight at start [1/Feb/2009] 127kg Weight now [24/Jul/2009] 108kg Target weight : 80kg Only 28 TO go hope to be there by March Wish me luck!
Hi HopingToCode, In my opinion you've covered all the bases, already. I respect that the motivation for this truly radical self-modification might be for private reasons, so I won't ask. The only intelligent thing I can say, and I bet you have already done this, is that I do hope you are working with an intelligent physician or qualified weight-loss advisor, that you will, at some point, have a stress-test ECG, that you will rule out the possibility that an unusual retention of fat in the abdomen is not an indirect indicator of some risk to your cardio-vascular system (unusual abdominal fat alone is an indicator to a heart doctor of significantly greater risk of CVA). I personally think a real "psychological crunch" will come for you when you reach your desired plateau of weight, and your body will "want" to return to your old eating habits and perhaps slack off on the frequency of exercise. Very best wishes to you for your health, best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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John C wrote:
Yes, lose more weight. The human body *always* redistributes fat evenly throughout the body whatever amount of excess fat you have.
Hi JohnC, I have to say that this statement indicates to me you have a profound lack of knowledge of the human body, what fat is, and how we have evolved to store it in certain locations, and the fact the human female stores fat in a very different pattern. Not only can stress alone cause unusual abdominal fat storage (via raised cortisol level), unusual abdominal fat alone is a marker for greatly increased risk of cardio-vascular incident or failure. Not only do patterns of fat distrubution vary by genetic heritage, and "racial" heritage, clearly lifestyle and adaptation to environment shape it : to wit, Arctic peoples whose diet consists of a very high percentage of animal meat and fats and, in the past, virtually zero vegetable, fruits. The interaction of your basal metabolic rate (which relates to your genetic heritage and "body type") is a complex interplay of mutually modifying dynamic systems. Time for you to do some reading. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
I'll give you the unusual cortisol issue, but my point is valid: when losing or gaining fat it can't be made to happen in any specific area, the body automatically regulates and distributes fat on it's own. I think you seem to have mistaken my point as being that fat is stored *evenly* throughout the body which of course is ridiculous on the face of it and hardly worth the effort or time of rebutting. :)
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg