Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity
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wow a good example of doublethink, state a propersition then when its unmined make up an unsupported claim. oh and when pushed to support your stupid claims you dissapear
Alex hogarth wrote:
oh and when pushed to support your stupid claims you dissapear
Why should I try to help people like you?
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Alex hogarth wrote:
oh and when pushed to support your stupid claims you dissapear
Why should I try to help people like you?
Because like it or not, you need "people like him" to survive the days when the banks rise up from their tower blocks and team up with Godzilla to destroy people who refused the immunisations
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
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It it to help prevent over population.
Christian Graus wrote:
Ask yourself why you think they want to put ALL children at risk.
Why did Hitler want to kill all the jews and take over the world?
Christian Graus wrote:
Then find out if their children have been vaccinated.
Their kids are probably vaccinated with the highest quality vaccinations available. Its kind of like comparing MSG, GMO, chemicalized food compared to organic.
Fine words from a gentleman.[^]
modified on Monday, July 27, 2009 11:45 AM
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It it to help prevent over population.
And where is the proof of this ridiculous assertion ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why did Hitler want to kill all the jews and take over the world?
Because he was anti semitic, he blamed the jews for germanies loss in WWI, and he wanted to reverse that and create a german empire. So ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Their kids are probably vaccinated with the highest quality vaccinations available. Its kind of like comparing MSG, GMO, chemicalized food compared to organic.
Do different levels of quality exist ? Are some vaccines not treated with mercury ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It it to help prevent over population.
And where is the proof of this ridiculous assertion ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why did Hitler want to kill all the jews and take over the world?
Because he was anti semitic, he blamed the jews for germanies loss in WWI, and he wanted to reverse that and create a german empire. So ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Their kids are probably vaccinated with the highest quality vaccinations available. Its kind of like comparing MSG, GMO, chemicalized food compared to organic.
Do different levels of quality exist ? Are some vaccines not treated with mercury ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
And where is the proof of this ridiculous assertion ?
Well, you can start with John Holdren and his book Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment.
Christian Graus wrote:
So?
Don't act like its some wild conspiracy theory when nasty things really do happen throughout history. Now we have the crazies spouting about global warming, over population, and the need for eugenics. Hitler was democratically elected, and most people didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that he was committing genocide.
Christian Graus wrote:
Do different levels of quality exist ? Are some vaccines not treated with mercury ?
If you actually would read the article or do some research of your own, you would learn that some countries have banned the use of mercury in vaccines. However mercury is just the tip of the iceburg. Take a look at this.[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
And where is the proof of this ridiculous assertion ?
Well, you can start with John Holdren and his book Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment.
Christian Graus wrote:
So?
Don't act like its some wild conspiracy theory when nasty things really do happen throughout history. Now we have the crazies spouting about global warming, over population, and the need for eugenics. Hitler was democratically elected, and most people didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that he was committing genocide.
Christian Graus wrote:
Do different levels of quality exist ? Are some vaccines not treated with mercury ?
If you actually would read the article or do some research of your own, you would learn that some countries have banned the use of mercury in vaccines. However mercury is just the tip of the iceburg. Take a look at this.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, you can start with John Holdren and his book Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment.
How about you tell me what proof this book offers ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Don't act like its some wild conspiracy theory when nasty things really do happen throughout history.
What does this mean ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Now we have the crazies spouting about global warming, over population, and the need for eugenics.
over population is an absolute fact. That the earth is getting warmer, is an absolute fact, although I am not claiming there is no debate as to the level of human cause. No-one is calling for eugenics.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Hitler was democratically elected, and most people didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that he was committing genocide.
Yes, that is true. So what ? You're saying that George Bush was really a Nazi ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If you actually would read the article or do some research of your own, you would learn that some countries have banned the use of mercury in vaccines.
Unlike you, I have a job. I scanned the article. I even said that it sounded plausible, because the problem is not vaccines, but mercury, which does strike me as odd. What I don't accept, is that it's being deliberately done to kill people. That's where the burden of proof is on you, and where you are found wanting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, you can start with John Holdren and his book Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment.
How about you tell me what proof this book offers ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Don't act like its some wild conspiracy theory when nasty things really do happen throughout history.
What does this mean ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Now we have the crazies spouting about global warming, over population, and the need for eugenics.
over population is an absolute fact. That the earth is getting warmer, is an absolute fact, although I am not claiming there is no debate as to the level of human cause. No-one is calling for eugenics.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Hitler was democratically elected, and most people didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that he was committing genocide.
Yes, that is true. So what ? You're saying that George Bush was really a Nazi ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If you actually would read the article or do some research of your own, you would learn that some countries have banned the use of mercury in vaccines.
Unlike you, I have a job. I scanned the article. I even said that it sounded plausible, because the problem is not vaccines, but mercury, which does strike me as odd. What I don't accept, is that it's being deliberately done to kill people. That's where the burden of proof is on you, and where you are found wanting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
What I don't accept, is that it's being deliberately done to kill people. That's where the burden of proof is on you, and where you are found wanting.
You have to use your own goddamn brain! Read history books, learn psychology, learn about evil, learn about hitler, stalin, mao genocide. Mao exterminated about 49-78,000,000 of his own. http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html[^]. It happens over and over again and its going to happen again and again! Learn about power, learn about propaganda, learn about everything thats going on around the world, learn about central banking, its history, and the people behind it. Stop being such a useful idiot.
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Christian Graus wrote:
What I don't accept, is that it's being deliberately done to kill people. That's where the burden of proof is on you, and where you are found wanting.
You have to use your own goddamn brain! Read history books, learn psychology, learn about evil, learn about hitler, stalin, mao genocide. Mao exterminated about 49-78,000,000 of his own. http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html[^]. It happens over and over again and its going to happen again and again! Learn about power, learn about propaganda, learn about everything thats going on around the world, learn about central banking, its history, and the people behind it. Stop being such a useful idiot.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have to use your own goddamn brain!
This is your code for 'you have to just make it up for yourself'. IF you want to prove something, you need to offer proof. Is that so complex ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Read history books, learn psychology, learn about evil, learn about hitler, stalin, mao genocide.
I am willing to bet that I know more about all of these things than you ever will. None of that proves anything you're trying to claim.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Mao exterminated about 49-78,000,000 of his own.
Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. I know.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It happens over and over again and its going to happen again and again!
Why are you sure it's going to happen again and again ? It's never happened in the USA, or Australia, or the UK, nor is it ever likely to. The internet also makes it less likely to happen in secret, than it did before.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Learn about power, learn about propaganda, learn about everything thats going on around the world, learn about central banking, its history, and the people behind it
This is just an ignorant rant from a moron. You can't prove anything that you claim, because it's mostly crap. So you spout the list of things you think you know, as if this constitutes any sort of proof. What you're saying is, there is no proof. There's some events in history which can be used by people predisposed to believe things without proof, as a sort of precedent.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Stop being such a useful idiot.
Well, at least I am of use to society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have to use your own goddamn brain!
This is your code for 'you have to just make it up for yourself'. IF you want to prove something, you need to offer proof. Is that so complex ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Read history books, learn psychology, learn about evil, learn about hitler, stalin, mao genocide.
I am willing to bet that I know more about all of these things than you ever will. None of that proves anything you're trying to claim.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Mao exterminated about 49-78,000,000 of his own.
Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. I know.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It happens over and over again and its going to happen again and again!
Why are you sure it's going to happen again and again ? It's never happened in the USA, or Australia, or the UK, nor is it ever likely to. The internet also makes it less likely to happen in secret, than it did before.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Learn about power, learn about propaganda, learn about everything thats going on around the world, learn about central banking, its history, and the people behind it
This is just an ignorant rant from a moron. You can't prove anything that you claim, because it's mostly crap. So you spout the list of things you think you know, as if this constitutes any sort of proof. What you're saying is, there is no proof. There's some events in history which can be used by people predisposed to believe things without proof, as a sort of precedent.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Stop being such a useful idiot.
Well, at least I am of use to society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Is that so complex ?
I pointed you to John Holdren and one of his books, but you won't accept it. On the other hand, what you prove to all readers is that you are a total shithead. Unlike you, most people in this world have a soul.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Is that so complex ?
I pointed you to John Holdren and one of his books, but you won't accept it. On the other hand, what you prove to all readers is that you are a total shithead. Unlike you, most people in this world have a soul.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I pointed you to John Holdren and one of his books, but you won't accept it.
No, I asked you to give me a short cut and tell me what proof he offers in his book. The existence of a book means the existence of an opinion. If he offers proof, if he understands the burden of proof better than you, then I'd like to know about it. I've tried to give my time to one of your retarded conspiracy videos before, now I'd prefer a short cut to the actual proof, instead of having to read a whole book looking for it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
On the other hand, what you prove to all readers is that you are a total s***head. Unlike you, most people in this world have a soul.
On what basis do you claim that I don't have a soul ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I pointed you to John Holdren and one of his books, but you won't accept it.
No, I asked you to give me a short cut and tell me what proof he offers in his book. The existence of a book means the existence of an opinion. If he offers proof, if he understands the burden of proof better than you, then I'd like to know about it. I've tried to give my time to one of your retarded conspiracy videos before, now I'd prefer a short cut to the actual proof, instead of having to read a whole book looking for it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
On the other hand, what you prove to all readers is that you are a total s***head. Unlike you, most people in this world have a soul.
On what basis do you claim that I don't have a soul ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
On what basis do you claim that I don't have a soul ?
You are a sociopath socialist eugenicist. You are one hell of a nasty dangerous creature.
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Christian Graus wrote:
On what basis do you claim that I don't have a soul ?
You are a sociopath socialist eugenicist. You are one hell of a nasty dangerous creature.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a sociopath socialist eugenicist.
Amusingly, I've asked you to tell me where you can prove this, and you always ignore it. This is you creating a straw man because you hate the fact that whatever you say, I am able to show that you have no evidence, and that your positions are based on ignorance. Why am I a eugenist ? How am I a socialist ? What makes me a sociopath ? What makes you think I have no soul ? Please respond only if you can answer. If you can't, please stop posting here on the basis that you must accept that everything you say, has no basis in fact, and cannot be in any way backed up by you if you're forced to examine it or defend it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a sociopath socialist eugenicist.
Amusingly, I've asked you to tell me where you can prove this, and you always ignore it. This is you creating a straw man because you hate the fact that whatever you say, I am able to show that you have no evidence, and that your positions are based on ignorance. Why am I a eugenist ? How am I a socialist ? What makes me a sociopath ? What makes you think I have no soul ? Please respond only if you can answer. If you can't, please stop posting here on the basis that you must accept that everything you say, has no basis in fact, and cannot be in any way backed up by you if you're forced to examine it or defend it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why am I a eugenist ? How am I a socialist ? What makes me a sociopath ?
Question is, how are you not any of these things when you regularly spout out that you think forced sterilization and abortion are good ideas and should be implemented only if people can be controlled to the point where they can't resist it? I don't have to prove anything to you, but if you feel that I am wrong about my claims about your character and you want to prove me wrong by saying I don't have proof, that isn't going to fly man. The reason why is because the proof is all over this website, and there are a lot of readers who know who you are. I have dealt with real sociopaths before and they are nasty little devils.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Why am I a eugenist ? How am I a socialist ? What makes me a sociopath ?
Question is, how are you not any of these things when you regularly spout out that you think forced sterilization and abortion are good ideas and should be implemented only if people can be controlled to the point where they can't resist it? I don't have to prove anything to you, but if you feel that I am wrong about my claims about your character and you want to prove me wrong by saying I don't have proof, that isn't going to fly man. The reason why is because the proof is all over this website, and there are a lot of readers who know who you are. I have dealt with real sociopaths before and they are nasty little devils.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Question is, how are you not any of these things when you regularly spout out that you think forced sterilization and abortion are good ideas
You are an illiterate moron 1 - I've only ever talked about forced sterilization when i've made it clear I am not serious 2 - I have NEVER said that abortion is a good idea. Show me where I said that once, or admit you are a liar.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and should be implemented only if people can be controlled to the point where they can't resist it?
Another total lie.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't have to prove anything to you,
No, but I appear to be the main person stupid enough to still talk to you. So, either go away, or talk to me. If you want to make the claims you make, then the burden of proof is on you, unless your goal is to make yourself appear clueless.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and you want to prove me wrong by saying I don't have proof, that isn't going to fly man
Well, it appears to be flying, as you're not offering proof
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The reason why is because the proof is all over this website
OK, so how is it so hard for you to find it ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I have dealt with real sociopaths before and they are nasty little devils.
So you now admit I am not one ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Monday, July 27, 2009 7:36 PM
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Many vaccines used to use a preservative called Thiomersal, a mercury compound.
They still use it here.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
the manufacturers conducted studies as to whether it was dangerous or not in the minuscule concentration that they used, found out that it wasn't told us it wasn't to cover their asses, and took it out anyway (because they knew that we knew it was harmful.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They still use it here.
Only a little bit. Look at this table[^] - it lists the vaccines commonly given to children and gives their thiomersal content. As you (or at least a hypothetical intelligent you) can see, hardly any of them do, and even they have alternatives that are mercury-free.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the manufacturers conducted studies as to whether it was dangerous or not in the minuscule concentration that they used, found out that it wasn't told us it wasn't to cover their asses, and took it out anyway (because they knew that we knew it was harmful.
Well, OK, the manufacturers funded scientific research into it. They weren't the only people to study it, though: there were, in particular, autism charities. And as for faking the results...HAHAHA!!! :laugh:
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They still use it here.
Only a little bit. Look at this table[^] - it lists the vaccines commonly given to children and gives their thiomersal content. As you (or at least a hypothetical intelligent you) can see, hardly any of them do, and even they have alternatives that are mercury-free.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the manufacturers conducted studies as to whether it was dangerous or not in the minuscule concentration that they used, found out that it wasn't told us it wasn't to cover their asses, and took it out anyway (because they knew that we knew it was harmful.
Well, OK, the manufacturers funded scientific research into it. They weren't the only people to study it, though: there were, in particular, autism charities. And as for faking the results...HAHAHA!!! :laugh:
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What makes it look impressive ( apart from being required to assume it's all 100% true ), is that you have no idea what any of the chemicals listed do, in what quantity they are in the vaccine, or what the potential side effects are. Instead, it's a list designed to look scary to people who are ignorant. Which seems appropriate here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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What makes it look impressive ( apart from being required to assume it's all 100% true ), is that you have no idea what any of the chemicals listed do, in what quantity they are in the vaccine, or what the potential side effects are. Instead, it's a list designed to look scary to people who are ignorant. Which seems appropriate here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
What makes it look impressive ( apart from being required to assume it's all 100% true ), is that you have no idea what any of the chemicals listed do, in what quantity they are in the vaccine, or what the potential side effects are. Instead, it's a list designed to look scary to people who are ignorant. Which seems appropriate here.
Right. I'm supposed to be totally ignorant and just take my injections. Got it. I don't want it in my body, and I don't want my immune system modified unnaturally.
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Christian Graus wrote:
What makes it look impressive ( apart from being required to assume it's all 100% true ), is that you have no idea what any of the chemicals listed do, in what quantity they are in the vaccine, or what the potential side effects are. Instead, it's a list designed to look scary to people who are ignorant. Which seems appropriate here.
Right. I'm supposed to be totally ignorant and just take my injections. Got it. I don't want it in my body, and I don't want my immune system modified unnaturally.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Right. I'm supposed to be totally ignorant and just take my injections. Got it.
You ARE totally ignorant. This list makes you more so. As I said, it doesn't tell you how much of each chemical you're getting, it certainly doesn't tell you which of these things are natural in your body, or exist in other things you have contact with every day. It's a 'scary list of long chemical names' designed to invoke fear, not knowledge.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't want it in my body, and I don't want my immune system modified unnaturally.
Well, if you want to die, then why not just shoot yourself ? It's clear you are determined to live in ignorance, without contributing to society in any way.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Right. I'm supposed to be totally ignorant and just take my injections. Got it.
You ARE totally ignorant. This list makes you more so. As I said, it doesn't tell you how much of each chemical you're getting, it certainly doesn't tell you which of these things are natural in your body, or exist in other things you have contact with every day. It's a 'scary list of long chemical names' designed to invoke fear, not knowledge.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't want it in my body, and I don't want my immune system modified unnaturally.
Well, if you want to die, then why not just shoot yourself ? It's clear you are determined to live in ignorance, without contributing to society in any way.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
You ARE totally ignorant. This list makes you more so. As I said, it doesn't tell you how much of each chemical you're getting, it certainly doesn't tell you which of these things are natural in your body, or exist in other things you have contact with every day. It's a 'scary list of long chemical names' designed to invoke fear, not knowledge.
Ok, presenting facts makes me stupid. Not wanting to have those chemicals and immune system modifying agents injected directly into my bloodstream makes me totally ignorant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, if you want to die, then why not just shoot yourself ? It's clear you are determined to live in ignorance, without contributing to society in any way.
I don't want to die, that is why I will try to eat organic food and let my immune system develop naturally like it has for the bast millions of years.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You ARE totally ignorant. This list makes you more so. As I said, it doesn't tell you how much of each chemical you're getting, it certainly doesn't tell you which of these things are natural in your body, or exist in other things you have contact with every day. It's a 'scary list of long chemical names' designed to invoke fear, not knowledge.
Ok, presenting facts makes me stupid. Not wanting to have those chemicals and immune system modifying agents injected directly into my bloodstream makes me totally ignorant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, if you want to die, then why not just shoot yourself ? It's clear you are determined to live in ignorance, without contributing to society in any way.
I don't want to die, that is why I will try to eat organic food and let my immune system develop naturally like it has for the bast millions of years.
A lot of them contain sorbitol, a polyol used as an artificial sweetener and as a laxative in much higher dosages. A fair few also contain sucrose, which is table sugar, and a couple have aspartame, which is an artificial sweetener found in something like Diet Coke. Aluminium hydroxide and aluminium phosphate are adjuvants, which provoke an immune response and are integral to how the vaccine actually works. Glutamates are simply amino acids. Phosphate buffered saline? Salt water with phosphate ions in it is hardly a dangerous chemical - the body uses phosphate in ATP as an energy currency. The body manufactures fats around glycerin: they're called triglycerides as a matter of fact. Potassium chloride and sodium bicarbonate are so benign it's actually quite amusing that they would list them simply to create the illusion of a lot of dangerous chemicals. Formaldehyde, I admit, is dangerous in large quantities - however: The average quantity of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed at one time may be as high as 0.2 mg. This quantity of formaldehyde is considered to be safe for two reasons. First, formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg — a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines. Second, quantities of formaldehyde at least 600 — fold greater than that contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals. Get it? Your body makes more formaldehyde than is in a vaccine! It's easy for someone with absolutely zero knowledge of chemistry to be intimidated by all the scary chemical names. Try harder next time. And read this[^].