Questions about UPS units
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The power supply is a Corsair 750W (it's a bit too powerful for my config it seems, but there were no "smaller" models, so...) At any rate, I'm reading some stuff on the interwebs and it seems that power supplies with active PFC usually don't work with UPS units that generate a pseudo-sinusoidal output wave. :doh:
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Dario Solera wrote:
it seems that power supplies with active PFC usually don't work with UPS units that generate a pseudo-sinusoidal output wave
I guess that's the long form of "doesn't like". :rolleyes:
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Emil - Gabriel wrote:
The software for my APC ups
Is that UPSilon 2000? At any rate, how can I be sure that the APC works with a PSU that has active PFC (see my other replies)?
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Dario Solera wrote:
Is that UPSilon 2000?
No, it's not. It's APC's own PowerChute 2 and it works via USB, not RS232.
Dario Solera wrote:
At any rate, how can I be sure that the APC works with a PSU that has active PFC (see my other replies)?
You can check out their products page. Here's a link to the one I got: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR800I[^] The weird thing is that they say that product is not available in my country. :) Only the black model is: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR800BLK[^]. And the black model has only 120V Input and Output. :| My country's standard is 220V, so the white model, with 230 V I/O should be available. Weird! They must've messed things up with that. :) EDIT: Just realized I was using their US page. My bad! :D There's a lot of info there, and I didn't bother to look for anything in specific before buying it. My friend just told me it will work and I trusted him. :) If you don't find what you're looking for, you can always drop them an email and ask. I think you'll find one somewhere in the Support section there.
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Dario Solera wrote:
Is that UPSilon 2000?
No, it's not. It's APC's own PowerChute 2 and it works via USB, not RS232.
Dario Solera wrote:
At any rate, how can I be sure that the APC works with a PSU that has active PFC (see my other replies)?
You can check out their products page. Here's a link to the one I got: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR800I[^] The weird thing is that they say that product is not available in my country. :) Only the black model is: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR800BLK[^]. And the black model has only 120V Input and Output. :| My country's standard is 220V, so the white model, with 230 V I/O should be available. Weird! They must've messed things up with that. :) EDIT: Just realized I was using their US page. My bad! :D There's a lot of info there, and I didn't bother to look for anything in specific before buying it. My friend just told me it will work and I trusted him. :) If you don't find what you're looking for, you can always drop them an email and ask. I think you'll find one somewhere in the Support section there.
modified on Monday, July 27, 2009 5:02 AM
Thanks for the link. :)
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Thanks for the link. :)
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I recently purchased a cheapo UPS, 400W/700VA. It turned out to be undersized for my PC*, as it simply shuts off when unplugging the power cable. Also, when the PC is at full load, the UPS unit goes overloaded and the beeper starts shouting. How do I know how much power my PC uses without using a watt-meter (which I don't have)? I calculated that it should be within 400W, but I'm lost at this point. When the UPS is overloaded, the software says it's using 154% of its power rating, which would be more than 600W... *) Intel Core i7 920, nVidia GTX275, 2x WD Velociraptor, 12GB 1,333 MHz DDR3
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I run a 1500 on my main box, 900's on all of the other boxes, and 650s on my routers. They key is to not anything but your PC into the battery backed up side of the UPS. Of course, this means that you have to hook up the UPS software so that it can do a controlled power-down of the box immediate on loosing power.
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BTW, how much power does your PC drain at full load according to this tool[^]? And what PSU do you have?
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I run a 1500 on my main box, 900's on all of the other boxes, and 650s on my routers. They key is to not anything but your PC into the battery backed up side of the UPS. Of course, this means that you have to hook up the UPS software so that it can do a controlled power-down of the box immediate on loosing power.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001My main concern is about compatibility with active power factor correction (PFC) PSUs. And, I'd also like to avoid UPS units with cooling fans.
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My main concern is about compatibility with active power factor correction (PFC) PSUs. And, I'd also like to avoid UPS units with cooling fans.
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Dario Solera wrote:
I'd also like to avoid UPS units with cooling fans.
With bigger units like what you need, good luck with that. Besides, the fans in them are almost silent.
Dario Solera wrote:
My main concern is about compatibility with active power factor correction (PFC) PSUs.
A UPS is a UPS. The PFC stuff is only applicable while the computer is powered up and allows more stability on the 12-volt rails. When the UPS takes controls and shuts your PC down, it does it through the OS via installed drivers and utility software.
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Dario Solera wrote:
I'd also like to avoid UPS units with cooling fans.
With bigger units like what you need, good luck with that. Besides, the fans in them are almost silent.
Dario Solera wrote:
My main concern is about compatibility with active power factor correction (PFC) PSUs.
A UPS is a UPS. The PFC stuff is only applicable while the computer is powered up and allows more stability on the 12-volt rails. When the UPS takes controls and shuts your PC down, it does it through the OS via installed drivers and utility software.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001The problem with PFC PSUs is that they don't like non-sinusoidal waves and they usually shut off. Moreover, they interact with the inverter of the UPS causing heavy distortion of the generated wave, thus reducing the effective capacity of the latter down to 30%. I'd be interesting in knowing what PSUs yo have. On a side note, I also suspect that things work differently with 110V or 220V ratings (I'm in Europe, so my equipment runs at 220V/50Hz).
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BTW, how much power does your PC drain at full load according to this tool[^]? And what PSU do you have?
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The PSU is the stock 500 watt one that I got with the case. The tool you linked to gave me 261 watts, which is close to what I get in the PowerChute softare I mentioned earlier (270 watts). I have two onboard SATA controllers. I also have onboard AC97 sound, which I couldn't find there, but I checked "Sound Blaster w/ Front Bay" as I assume it's what I have (a separate front-panel controller for audio), 2x onboard NICs, an on-board USB WiFi adapter and one cable TV-Tuner. So that pretty much raises everything to around 270 watts. I only did a quick fill of that tool. Here's the full spec of my board if you want to check yourself: http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1163&l1=3&l2=101&l3=300&l4=0[^] Add 2x 1000 rpm , 2gb ram and 2x 8500 gt in sli...
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The problem with PFC PSUs is that they don't like non-sinusoidal waves and they usually shut off. Moreover, they interact with the inverter of the UPS causing heavy distortion of the generated wave, thus reducing the effective capacity of the latter down to 30%. I'd be interesting in knowing what PSUs yo have. On a side note, I also suspect that things work differently with 110V or 220V ratings (I'm in Europe, so my equipment runs at 220V/50Hz).
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An Opti 1500C, three APC BackUPS XS 900, and two APC BackUPS 650 All but one of my machines use PFC PSUs
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hehe the draw on my server is only about 17W with monitor switched off. It's an extremely low power system though with an Intel Atom CPU.
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hehe the draw on my server is only about 17W with monitor switched off. It's an extremely low power system though with an Intel Atom CPU.
You're using a netleaflet as a server?
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Emil - Gabriel wrote:
The software for my APC ups
Is that UPSilon 2000? At any rate, how can I be sure that the APC works with a PSU that has active PFC (see my other replies)?
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Contact their tech support. I've had good luck with APC.
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You're using a netleaflet as a server?
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The power supply is a Corsair 750W (it's a bit too powerful for my config it seems, but there were no "smaller" models, so...) At any rate, I'm reading some stuff on the interwebs and it seems that power supplies with active PFC usually don't work with UPS units that generate a pseudo-sinusoidal output wave. :doh:
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Yes and no. The problem as I understand it, is that at startup, or following a brief interruption (eg the time your ups takes to switch to battery) causes the PSU to briefly draw its maximum power to recover and that if you've got an UPS with more output power than your PC can draw you'll be fine. Remember that your PSU is rated in terms of output power, not input power (which will be higher due to conversion losses). It's probably on the box or pamphlet somewhere but your PSU should be at least 80% efficient.
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My main concern is about compatibility with active power factor correction (PFC) PSUs. And, I'd also like to avoid UPS units with cooling fans.
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I've got a big 1300VA model from APC. The fan either runs silently or not at all except when its on battery power. There's not much you can do about it, once you run enough power through something passive cooling just can't keep up unless you make the device huge.
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The problem with PFC PSUs is that they don't like non-sinusoidal waves and they usually shut off. Moreover, they interact with the inverter of the UPS causing heavy distortion of the generated wave, thus reducing the effective capacity of the latter down to 30%. I'd be interesting in knowing what PSUs yo have. On a side note, I also suspect that things work differently with 110V or 220V ratings (I'm in Europe, so my equipment runs at 220V/50Hz).
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Dario Solera wrote:
On a side note, I also suspect that things work differently with 110V or 220V ratings (I'm in Europe, so my equipment runs at 220V/50Hz).
afaik the only difference is that your PSUs run one or two percent more efficiently and can get marginally more DC out before overloading.
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I recently purchased a cheapo UPS, 400W/700VA. It turned out to be undersized for my PC*, as it simply shuts off when unplugging the power cable. Also, when the PC is at full load, the UPS unit goes overloaded and the beeper starts shouting. How do I know how much power my PC uses without using a watt-meter (which I don't have)? I calculated that it should be within 400W, but I'm lost at this point. When the UPS is overloaded, the software says it's using 154% of its power rating, which would be more than 600W... *) Intel Core i7 920, nVidia GTX275, 2x WD Velociraptor, 12GB 1,333 MHz DDR3
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Dario Solera wrote:
cheapo UPS, 400W/700VA
Do NOT buy any unit less than 800VA or less than 22lb or 10 KG in weight. These are crap and generally not suitable for a computer. The battery is probably already worn out. The weight restriction ensures that there are 2 batteries in the unit instead of 1. I recommend powercomm 800 to 1500VA units that sell for around $100 USA. Or shopping on ebay for a used APC model. I have a dozen or so powercomm king pro units with (dual 8AH 12V batteries) at work and they last about 30 minutes for a dual core development machine. At home I have a 1250VA powercomm I bought 8 to 10 years ago. It powers my core2 quad q9550 with 5 hard disks for 1 hour. I have replaced the batteies on this 2 or 3 times with batteies bought onlone. These are generally $17 to $20 each shipped and are the same batteries that many APC models use. I recently upgraded this and got an APC smart UPS 1400 used from ebay for $185 shipped. With its 2 12V 18AH batteries and (30KG+ weight) I can get over 2 hours of power out of that.
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Yes and no. The problem as I understand it, is that at startup, or following a brief interruption (eg the time your ups takes to switch to battery) causes the PSU to briefly draw its maximum power to recover and that if you've got an UPS with more output power than your PC can draw you'll be fine. Remember that your PSU is rated in terms of output power, not input power (which will be higher due to conversion losses). It's probably on the box or pamphlet somewhere but your PSU should be at least 80% efficient.
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dan neely wrote:
Remember that your PSU is rated in terms of output power, not input power (which will be higher due to conversion losses). It's probably on the box or pamphlet somewhere but your PSU should be at least 80% efficient.
Now, I have to admit that I completely forgot about that aspect. The efficiency should be 87%.
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