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Why there is so few female programmers?

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  • P peterchen

    Um2 last time I checked male was a gender, not a race ;P ;P But admitted, sometimes they seem to have evolved from two entirely different streaks of algae.


    Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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    Sylph
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    yeah i know male is a gender.. :-O but that wasn't the point i was tryin to make.. sheesh gimme a break its 1:30am here.. and am tryin to finish a java assignment ;P so my brain is mush.

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      Here the majority are women, where I work. 72% female and 28% male! Weird eh? Nish


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      Roger Wright
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      Nishant S wrote: Weird eh? Heaven, I should think!:-D Word of the day: Rotundacrat
      Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...

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      • S Sylph

        wait and see.. in a few years... maybe us females will be asking the question.. why are there so few male programmers?... but the answer to that would probably be that we have out smarted the entire male race in EVERY field. ;P and to: "While a programmer needs to very creatively think "across borders" and in , absolute "problem focus" is what gets the job done. And while women tend to be better at the first, men are better on the latter." you obviously don't know many woman...woman are ALWAYS better on the latter :cool: :)

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        Mike Gaskey
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        My long term observation is that: 1) ladies in this "business" work harder (read as less socializing) during a work day but put in less hours, reluctance to work late nights / weekends -> family responsibilities. 2) are more thorough than male counterparts -> far more complete in analysis, design, testing and documentation. 3) are more stable, less childish than male counterparts who tend to have more of an ego involvment. 4) are more demanding (but better) in managerial roles. The greater strength of the male is on the creativity side of the equation, and the greater willingness to put in loooong hours. I would suspect the reason that the male / female posting ratio here supports the idea that few cpians are female is they tend to stop by to pick up an idea then go about their business while we tend to visit and stay. Just my $ 0.02 worth - Mike

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        • L leppie

          lauren wrote: *lauren gets her gun out...* :exceptioncase :laugh: no seriously, I have the greatest respect for female programmers and there should be more! Give them a chance! Do it for the kittens, dear God, the kittens! As seen on MS File Transfer: Please enter an integer between 1 and 2.

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          Tomaz Stih 0
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          ...and there should be more! r u crazy? with the market like now? tomaz

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          • L l a u r e n

            i find that you can train the logical a -> b -> c stuff into your brain by just hard work ... the a -> f -> d -> z comes naturally and makes for good solutions developing can i say this then ... *sniggaz* ... men _tend_ to be better at actually producing the code and stuff but chikkies _tend_ to be better at organizing the whole solution? *borrows asbestos suit* :)


            "... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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            Tomaz Stih 0
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            lauren wrote: can i say this then ... *sniggaz* ... men _tend_ to be better at actually producing the code and stuff but chikkies _tend_ to be better at organizing the whole solution? now theoretically there is no way in preventing you from saying that. but it is rather distant from the reality of IT being man industry - and very thouroughly. including organizing the solutions. tomaz

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            • S Sylph

              wait and see.. in a few years... maybe us females will be asking the question.. why are there so few male programmers?... but the answer to that would probably be that we have out smarted the entire male race in EVERY field. ;P and to: "While a programmer needs to very creatively think "across borders" and in , absolute "problem focus" is what gets the job done. And while women tend to be better at the first, men are better on the latter." you obviously don't know many woman...woman are ALWAYS better on the latter :cool: :)

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              Tomaz Stih 0
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              yeah, well, i suppose it's time we men move to management and let some fresh blood flow into entry positions. tomaz

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                yeah, well, i suppose it's time we men move to management and let some fresh blood flow into entry positions. tomaz

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                Sylph
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                tstih wrote: yeah, well, i suppose it's time we men move to management and let some fresh blood flow into entry positions. tomaz get over urself!.

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                • S Sylph

                  tstih wrote: yeah, well, i suppose it's time we men move to management and let some fresh blood flow into entry positions. tomaz get over urself!.

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                  i can't. i am evil. tomaz

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                  • P peterchen

                    you can compensate for almost every "deficiency" with hard work - however, if a->-b->c requires no cognitive load (i.e. it's an one clock machine instruction), it's much easier to arrive at z then when a->b is a subroutine. I would like to add to the "more female" approach's description: that in parallel "a->b->v->x" and "a->y->r->v" and many others are evaluated, and recognizing "z" as solution is sometimes an additional challenge. Not that "this is how man think and that how women think" - but IMO men are more prone to launch less threads, but devote almost all processing power to the onethat looks most promising; whereas women tend to launch more threads, and treat them more fairly. lauren wrote: can i say this then ... *sniggaz* no problem with that ;) yes if a min amount of the technical insight is there (which requires some experience with and prior dedication to the a->b->c processing). A good programmer, and a good project project manager, will need to have a fair amount of both, otherwise they are just code monkeys or clueless ties. Not to forget: women tend to be better at social skills (not always concious), which can do a great deal of project managment, too ;)


                    Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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                    mystro_AKA_kokie
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                    peterchen wrote: you can compensate for almost every "deficiency" with hard work What if hard work is your deficiency?:)

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                      i can't. i am evil. tomaz

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                      Sylph
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                      being evil is no excuse for putting us women down ;P u suck.

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                        being evil is no excuse for putting us women down ;P u suck.

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                        Tomaz Stih 0
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                        i'm not putting you down silly. you and lauren started by putting men down elaborating your world domination theory on the way and i offered some resistance. evil uncontrollable men like myself make no excuses. we're evil, remember?

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                          I’m just wondering, why the majority of programmers are men? Why there is so few female coders?

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                          Joe Woodbury
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                          There are several fields where women are unrepresented for no apparent reason; the two that pop into mind are motorcycle and automobile racing. Believe it or not, I think there's a parallel. In motor racing, most drivers were heavily involved as kids--it's more than Dads (and Moms) pushing it, they become car nerds, er, nuts. And then there's the competitive, generally without grudges, angle Likewise, most the programmers I know are techno-geeks, or were for the first ten years in the business. Even when they get burned out, they still pay attention to the dry news report that company x increased processor speed by so much (like the car geeks ears perk up when a company gets 5 more horse power out of an engine.) My point is, that relatively few women are techno-geeks or car nuts for that matter, as teenagers and I think that shapes choices when going into college. (My teenage daughter keeps pictures of high end cars which is considered odd by all her girl friends, but not her guy friends.)

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                            i find that you can train the logical a -> b -> c stuff into your brain by just hard work ... the a -> f -> d -> z comes naturally and makes for good solutions developing can i say this then ... *sniggaz* ... men _tend_ to be better at actually producing the code and stuff but chikkies _tend_ to be better at organizing the whole solution? *borrows asbestos suit* :)


                            "... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
                            biz stuff   about me

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                            Megan Forbes
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                            Too true! I will say this tho (as a woman programmer) - I totally dig working in an otherwise all male IT dept. None of the bitchy crap that the receptionist types go in for, and at work I'm just one of the guys. At home, I get the luxury of being a married woman. The best of both worlds ;):cool::rose: The following statement about your geekness is true.
                            The previous statement about your geekness is false.

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                              wait and see.. in a few years... maybe us females will be asking the question.. why are there so few male programmers?... but the answer to that would probably be that we have out smarted the entire male race in EVERY field. ;P and to: "While a programmer needs to very creatively think "across borders" and in , absolute "problem focus" is what gets the job done. And while women tend to be better at the first, men are better on the latter." you obviously don't know many woman...woman are ALWAYS better on the latter :cool: :)

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                              Megan Forbes
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                              Without a doubt! :cool: The following statement about your geekness is true.
                              The previous statement about your geekness is false.

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                                There are several fields where women are unrepresented for no apparent reason; the two that pop into mind are motorcycle and automobile racing. Believe it or not, I think there's a parallel. In motor racing, most drivers were heavily involved as kids--it's more than Dads (and Moms) pushing it, they become car nerds, er, nuts. And then there's the competitive, generally without grudges, angle Likewise, most the programmers I know are techno-geeks, or were for the first ten years in the business. Even when they get burned out, they still pay attention to the dry news report that company x increased processor speed by so much (like the car geeks ears perk up when a company gets 5 more horse power out of an engine.) My point is, that relatively few women are techno-geeks or car nuts for that matter, as teenagers and I think that shapes choices when going into college. (My teenage daughter keeps pictures of high end cars which is considered odd by all her girl friends, but not her guy friends.)

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                                Megan Forbes
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                                That is true, sadly girls are often not introduced to the fun side of technology as easily as guys are, but any girl with guy friends will soon catch on :-D The following statement about your geekness is true.
                                The previous statement about your geekness is false.

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                                • T Tomaz Stih 0

                                  i'm not putting you down silly. you and lauren started by putting men down elaborating your world domination theory on the way and i offered some resistance. evil uncontrollable men like myself make no excuses. we're evil, remember?

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                                  Sylph
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                                  i never put men down... look at the hundreds of posts b4 hand about women!.. sheesh... i had to defend the womens sooner or later i luv men.. there just a tad stupid sometimes :)...ok Mr Tstih! ;)

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                                  • S Sylph

                                    i never put men down... look at the hundreds of posts b4 hand about women!.. sheesh... i had to defend the womens sooner or later i luv men.. there just a tad stupid sometimes :)...ok Mr Tstih! ;)

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                                    Tomaz Stih 0
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                                    alles klar. i apologize if you promise not to enslave me when you take over. and now it's really, really time to return to your java assignment, miss sylph. nobody's taken the world without working hard for it. :-) thomas

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                                      peterchen wrote: you can compensate for almost every "deficiency" with hard work What if hard work is your deficiency?:)

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                                      peterchen
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                                      then, of course, you're caught in an recursion trap and the universe will collapse to a black dot. (or a pink dot, if the universe was made by a woman :cool:)


                                      Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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                                      • S Sylph

                                        yeah i know male is a gender.. :-O but that wasn't the point i was tryin to make.. sheesh gimme a break its 1:30am here.. and am tryin to finish a java assignment ;P so my brain is mush.

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                                        Rohit Sinha
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                                        This proves peterchen's point that you girls can't focus. You need to finish an assignment and here you are, posting on CP. Shhesh. ;P
                                          Regards,

                                        Rohit Sinha

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                                        • L l a u r e n

                                          i find that you can train the logical a -> b -> c stuff into your brain by just hard work ... the a -> f -> d -> z comes naturally and makes for good solutions developing can i say this then ... *sniggaz* ... men _tend_ to be better at actually producing the code and stuff but chikkies _tend_ to be better at organizing the whole solution? *borrows asbestos suit* :)


                                          "... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
                                          biz stuff   about me

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                                          lauren wrote: can i say this then ... *sniggaz* ... men _tend_ to be better at actually producing the code and stuff but chikkies _tend_ to be better at organizing the whole solution? Honestly Lauren, I worked for a long time in a place where the programmers were roughly mixed and I think as a general statement you are bang on the mark there, to the point where I'd say most women are useless coders and most men are useless organisers. Just my experience but well summarised. Paul

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