Overtime Compensation
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Exempt employees don't get overtime because they don't earn an hourly wage. Just work the hours necessary to do your job, and in those instances where your do work a lot of overtime, make sure your boss knows.
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
Me? Absolutely nothing, and I don't allow overtime for the team. In almost all cases, requiring overtime is an indication that I screwed up.
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
A little bit of time-off (come in early/late), spilling over on the next weeks or so, and/or vacations
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I take inestimable pleasure in the knowledge that my employer has yet again convinced me to do something stupid. I resist putting in 'overtime'. I am salaried, and am not entitled to any compensation for it. The local tendency is to abuse people who accept overtime assignments. I have found that there isn't a 'down' side to refusing overtime assignments, either. Given that I tend to complete assignments within my stated schedule, there's no cause for criticising me when I decline.
Software Zen:
delete this;No abuse intended, but if you worked for me, you would be high on the layoff list during a downturn. The reasons are: 1) You are obviously not a team player - you may have gotten your assignment done on time, but you could be helping others with their assignments. 2) You are undermining the moral of the rest of the team by holding yourself above the "pain" of getting the task done on schedule. 3) You are demonstrating that you are not interested in the success of the company; therefore the company owes no loyalty to you. Every aggressive company has crunch times when it expects its salaried employees to put in additional effort. As long as it is not an ongoing practice, it is the price you pay for not having to punch a time clock and a higher salary than a shop worker.
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modified on Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:48 PM
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Me? Absolutely nothing, and I don't allow overtime for the team. In almost all cases, requiring overtime is an indication that I screwed up.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
What if someone wants to work a couple of hours late because he needs to either come in late (or leave early) in a day or two ? (overtime is not always due to bad management)
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There is such a thing as salaried non-exempt status. In this case AFAIK employer is obligated to pay overtime by law.
And for reasons beyond my comprehension, federal law (US) specifically states Computer related jobs are not required to be payed overtime.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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What if someone wants to work a couple of hours late because he needs to either come in late (or leave early) in a day or two ? (overtime is not always due to bad management)
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Then that's not overtime, that is just moving your 40hrs around.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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No abuse intended, but if you worked for me, you would be high on the layoff list during a downturn. The reasons are: 1) You are obviously not a team player - you may have gotten your assignment done on time, but you could be helping others with their assignments. 2) You are undermining the moral of the rest of the team by holding yourself above the "pain" of getting the task done on schedule. 3) You are demonstrating that you are not interested in the success of the company; therefore the company owes no loyalty to you. Every aggressive company has crunch times when it expects its salaried employees to put in additional effort. As long as it is not an ongoing practice, it is the price you pay for not having to punch a time clock and a higher salary than a shop worker.
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modified on Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:48 PM
Did you miss the part where he stated he completed his assignments within the schedule? It's been my experience, without exception, that companies that "expect" employees to do overtime are both poorly managed and abusive.
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And for reasons beyond my comprehension, federal law (US) specifically states Computer related jobs are not required to be payed overtime.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
It's all way too complicated for anyone but greedy lawyers to understand http://www.flsa.com/coverage.html[^] According to the link above if your job is governed by FLSA and if you're classified as non-exempt, employer must pay overtime. So as the link says, unless computer type jobs are specifically excepted from FLSA or are covered by some some other federal law, any computer related job with non-exempt status must pay overtime. BTW, I'm not being combative here, I'm just interested in learning more about it. Got a link that says computer related jobs are not required to pay overtime?
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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It's all way too complicated for anyone but greedy lawyers to understand http://www.flsa.com/coverage.html[^] According to the link above if your job is governed by FLSA and if you're classified as non-exempt, employer must pay overtime. So as the link says, unless computer type jobs are specifically excepted from FLSA or are covered by some some other federal law, any computer related job with non-exempt status must pay overtime. BTW, I'm not being combative here, I'm just interested in learning more about it. Got a link that says computer related jobs are not required to pay overtime?
[http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17e_computer.htm[^] The exception is stupid. If you make more than $455 a week (~24k) if salary, or more than $27.63/hr if paid hourly then you are except.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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It's all way too complicated for anyone but greedy lawyers to understand http://www.flsa.com/coverage.html[^] According to the link above if your job is governed by FLSA and if you're classified as non-exempt, employer must pay overtime. So as the link says, unless computer type jobs are specifically excepted from FLSA or are covered by some some other federal law, any computer related job with non-exempt status must pay overtime. BTW, I'm not being combative here, I'm just interested in learning more about it. Got a link that says computer related jobs are not required to pay overtime?
Not a direct cite per se; but if it wasn't possible to near universally weasel out of doing so legally, I'm certain that bottom feeding lawyers (yeah yeah I know, redundant) would've stuffed their pockets with class action lawsuits on the issue.
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
I charge straight time. Realistically, I get a lot accomplished in a week and it is only true emergencies that cause me to work longer hours. Of course I am self-employed. If I were an employee of a company I would work whatever hours were initially agreed when I was hired and no more without compensation. Unpaid overtime is slavery.
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I charge straight time. Realistically, I get a lot accomplished in a week and it is only true emergencies that cause me to work longer hours. Of course I am self-employed. If I were an employee of a company I would work whatever hours were initially agreed when I was hired and no more without compensation. Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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Did you miss the part where he stated he completed his assignments within the schedule? It's been my experience, without exception, that companies that "expect" employees to do overtime are both poorly managed and abusive.
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No abuse intended, but if you worked for me, you would be high on the layoff list during a downturn. The reasons are: 1) You are obviously not a team player - you may have gotten your assignment done on time, but you could be helping others with their assignments. 2) You are undermining the moral of the rest of the team by holding yourself above the "pain" of getting the task done on schedule. 3) You are demonstrating that you are not interested in the success of the company; therefore the company owes no loyalty to you. Every aggressive company has crunch times when it expects its salaried employees to put in additional effort. As long as it is not an ongoing practice, it is the price you pay for not having to punch a time clock and a higher salary than a shop worker.
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modified on Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:48 PM
Snowman58 wrote:
it is the price you pay for not having to punch a time clock and a higher salary than a shop worker.
You are making a false assumption. I know I don't get paid as much as a shop worker. At least not a union worker of any typical manufacturing job.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
I don't get compensated for any kind of overtime. But then again, I enjoy what I do and that is my only motivation to overtime. I don't care about time as a whole as long as I enjoy it and enjoyment is my reward. In general, I think highly motivated teams think beyond the issue of straight time and overtime. They enjoy what they do. But I do think, companies should give few things like a gift certificate to a restaurant or a store. Nothing too fancy and nothing too little. (This is of course in addition to the raises/bonuses).
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How does everyone typically get compensated for overtime? Pay, time off, a thanks, more overtime...?
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
By expecting that it'll become regular operating procedure. :( That is, if you're lucky enough to have a manager that doesn't expect 70-80 hours a week to begin with (and yes, I was told in no uncertain terms at a job I had about 20 years ago that I was expected to put in 75 hours a week, salaried.) Marc
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By expecting that it'll become regular operating procedure. :( That is, if you're lucky enough to have a manager that doesn't expect 70-80 hours a week to begin with (and yes, I was told in no uncertain terms at a job I had about 20 years ago that I was expected to put in 75 hours a week, salaried.) Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
was expected to put in 75 hours a week, salaried
That guarentees one of two outcomes: Burnout within months or general goofing off on the job. Neither very helpfull to the hiring company! Not been in that extreme, but I've found myself in a department that frequently demanded 60hrs. 90% turnover in 18 months, everything late to the point of losing clients and firing employees christmas week to make everyone else buck up (in the middle of the tech boom, blessed relief more like).
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