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  • D Douglas Troy

    Bardy85 wrote:

    What are YOUR thoughts?

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    Jim Crafton
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    I'd reply, but I'm in the middle of an access violation...

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      When there's an R in the month.

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      Ian Shlasko
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      bool areNullablesGood = ("the month".indexOf('R') >= 0); Well, that answers that.

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        I'd reply, but I'm in the middle of an access violation...

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        Douglas Troy
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        Jim Crafton wrote:

        but I'm in the middle of an access violation...

        Don't want to know. Don't want to know. Don't want to know. :-D


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        • I Ian Shlasko

          bool areNullablesGood = ("the month".indexOf('R') >= 0); Well, that answers that.

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          JacquesDP
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          but he did not specify whether having the R is good or not ;P

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            but he did not specify whether having the R is good or not ;P

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            hairy_hats
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            You noticed. :laugh:

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            • D Douglas Troy

              Jim Crafton wrote:

              but I'm in the middle of an access violation...

              Don't want to know. Don't want to know. Don't want to know. :-D


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              Jim Crafton
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              Sounds like you're suffering from a stack overflow?

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                Well then. When are they good and when are they bad? Is that better?

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                Dario Solera
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                They are good when you need a nullable type. Or, when you need compatibility with other platforms (while designing web services contracts, for example).

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                • B Bardy85

                  Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                  Dave Kreskowiak
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                  Bardy85 wrote:

                  Are they good or are they bad?

                  Neither. You use the correct tool for the job. Nullable types are just another tool in the toolbox. They serve a specific surpose. I don't qualify them as "good" or "bad".

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                    Sounds like you're suffering from a stack overflow?

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                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                    Sounds like you're suffering from a stack overflow?

                    Sounds like a medical condition that afflicts older developers. [cue drug company commercial here] Do you suffer from Stack Overflow? Is this affecting your love life? Work? Family? Friends? Millions of aging Software Developers, like you, live with SOF everyday. Well, worry no more. With Stacagra, you'll regain your confidence and management over your Stack once again. :rolleyes:


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                    • D Dave Kreskowiak

                      Bardy85 wrote:

                      Are they good or are they bad?

                      Neither. You use the correct tool for the job. Nullable types are just another tool in the toolbox. They serve a specific surpose. I don't qualify them as "good" or "bad".

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                      Bardy85
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                      True. What ever is best for the job. Simple. easy. For some reason when I code, I sit for hours wasting time, trying to find the best way foward. I know there are always a handfull of ways to accomplish a given task. I'm just trying to find the "best",most effecient,simplest solution. Maybe that it. Time. Every ms counts. Oh well. Think it's just monday driving me up the wall. Thanks anyway.

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                        I'd reply, but I'm in the middle of an access violation...

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                        Joan M
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                        Are you violating MS Access? :rolleyes:

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                        • B Bardy85

                          Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                          Once I met one that was really, really bad... :rolleyes:

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                            bool areNullablesGood = ("the month".indexOf('R') >= 0); Well, that answers that.

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                            Luc Pattyn
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                            Ian Shlasko wrote:

                            bool areNullablesGood = ("the month".indexOf('R') >= 0);

                            That seems pretty close to the truth, as (1) months have at most one capital letter (never an R), (2) and "the month" has none. :)

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                              Are you violating MS Access? :rolleyes:

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                              MS access users are violated.

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                                True. What ever is best for the job. Simple. easy. For some reason when I code, I sit for hours wasting time, trying to find the best way foward. I know there are always a handfull of ways to accomplish a given task. I'm just trying to find the "best",most effecient,simplest solution. Maybe that it. Time. Every ms counts. Oh well. Think it's just monday driving me up the wall. Thanks anyway.

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                                Dan Neely
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                                Don't use them when you don't have to. Every time you call an API expecting a non nullable value you'll have to do validation/conversion of your nullables.

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                                • B Bardy85

                                  Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                                  Shog9 0
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                                  Bad. But inconsistency is worse. Rather all types be nullable than just a subset...

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                                  • B Bardy85

                                    Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                                    Marc Clifton
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                                    Useless, because there's no mapping of a nullable type to an object with value DBNull.Value. Marc

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                                    • B Bardy85

                                      Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                                      Judah Gabriel Himango
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                                      Given that the inventor of null calls it his "billion dollar mistake[^]", I think it's safe to say null references are bad. Or did you mean System.Nullable<T> in the .NET framework?

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                                      • B Bardy85

                                        Nullable or Not. That is the question. Are they good or are they bad? What are YOUR thoughts?

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                                        Todd Smith
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                                        I usually use them in conjunction with a database and linq. But I don't see why they can't be used whenever the need arises. http://qconlondon.com/london-2009/presentation/Null+References:+The+Billion+Dollar+Mistake[^]

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                                          Bad. But inconsistency is worse. Rather all types be nullable than just a subset...

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                                          Dario Solera
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                                          Well, all value types are non-nullable by default. You can make them nullable by wrapping them in a class. This is done automatically in .NET with the "?" operator.

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