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  • M Mark_Wallace

    Steve_Harris wrote:

    If you were facing being laid off, do you really think that beating up a representative of your employer is going to make him change his mind?

    The point is that the French tend to put the needs of human beings before the needs of fat blokes in suits who rake money off. And I, despite being British (and therefore still in a state of war against the French), applaud them for that. What is more important, seeing that a large number of people get a living wage, so that they can raise their children, or seeing that a few people make huge profits? Obviously, it's never as simple as that choice, but the tendency is always toward looking after the shareholders, rather than ensuring the well-being, and therefore the loyalty, of the people who produce the things that make the profits.

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    peterchen
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    Mark Wallace wrote:

    The point is that the French tend to put the needs of human beings before the needs of fat blokes in suits who rake money off.

    But but but! Without the benevolent enterpreneur, this poor, helpless chap would never have had a job! Shouldn't he be thankful for the time he was able to spend together with that shining beacon of industrial progress?

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    • H hairy_hats

      What is more important, keeping everybody on and making the company unprofitable so that they ALL lose their jobs, or making some redundant so that the rest can continue to be employed?

      I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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      Mark_Wallace
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      Obviously, it's never as simple as that, either.

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      • P peterchen

        Mark Wallace wrote:

        The point is that the French tend to put the needs of human beings before the needs of fat blokes in suits who rake money off.

        But but but! Without the benevolent enterpreneur, this poor, helpless chap would never have had a job! Shouldn't he be thankful for the time he was able to spend together with that shining beacon of industrial progress?

        Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
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        Mark_Wallace
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        peterchen wrote:

        But but but! Without the benevolent enterpreneur, this poor, helpless chap would never have had a job! Shouldn't he be thankful for the time he was able to spend together with that shining beacon of industrial progress?

        He can get a job shining fat-bloke shoes, or selling apples! That's the entrepreneurial spirit!

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        • H hairy_hats

          What is more important, keeping everybody on and making the company unprofitable so that they ALL lose their jobs, or making some redundant so that the rest can continue to be employed?

          I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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          Mark_Wallace
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          It wasn't me who down-voted you, BTW.

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          • P peterchen

            Do you think anything would? Except maybe "Hey Boss, I will work weekends too, and for half the pay. I will also bend over right now, for your convenience!" But I didn't think that would be a way approved by a US American.

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            Not in the short term. But when business picks up you can be sure that molex will be expanding capacity at other locations instead of reopening this factory.

            The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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            • D Dalek Dave

              They are very brave against Buildings and Lambs, but they melt so quickly when the German Army turns up!

              ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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              Dan Neely
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              So the Germans can march in the shade during their victory parades.

              The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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              • M Mark_Wallace

                It wasn't me who down-voted you, BTW.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                hairy_hats
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                No worries! :beer:

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                • P peterchen

                  If you want to beat up someone with your fists, dropping the rifle is pretty much recommended.

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                  Rajesh R Subramanian
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                  Take it easy, man. It was a joke. Also, I don't remember the French beating up anyone with their fist after dropping their rifles. :)

                  It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                  • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                    Take it easy, man. It was a joke. Also, I don't remember the French beating up anyone with their fist after dropping their rifles. :)

                    It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                    peterchen
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                    No sweat. It's just a stale joke, and it does in no way reflect my impression of the french.

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                    • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                      Never fired, dropped only once. :)

                      It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                      Kelly Herald
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                      Especially if they made guns like the Chauchat Machine gun[^]. This POS has got to be the worst gun ever inflicted on the WWI Allies. The guns would jam every other shot and you couldn't take parts from one and use on another. The American soldiers just started calling it the Soso gun.

                      Kelly Herald Software Developer

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                      • L Lost User

                        Disposed of, you mean. Treated like a piece of "don't want to know what it is" under the shoe of someone who owns the range of numbers that you're part of.

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                        You could draw the same emotional conclusions about EMPLOYEES who leave a company. Ex-employees don't care what will NOT get done in their immediate absence--what misery the customers will be left with, coworkers who have to do more jobs, investments that might fail, loosing the owner's life savings, leaving them succeptible to bankruptcy, breach of contract, etc. All so the ex-employee can make 5k more a year. Thoguh, I don't knock them, I'm one of them.

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                        • D Dan Neely

                          Not in the short term. But when business picks up you can be sure that molex will be expanding capacity at other locations instead of reopening this factory.

                          The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                          That's what's going to happen anyway - tomorrow if not today. Few companies would go back to a place because "they all were so nice when we let them go". (And if that's it, judging by one person doesn't make much sense). If the company wants to leave, they'll leave. There's nothing they could do against that. But now, at least he is remembered. No doubt, he should get the federal punishment for his violence, but that's about it.

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                            That's what's going to happen anyway - tomorrow if not today. Few companies would go back to a place because "they all were so nice when we let them go". (And if that's it, judging by one person doesn't make much sense). If the company wants to leave, they'll leave. There's nothing they could do against that. But now, at least he is remembered. No doubt, he should get the federal punishment for his violence, but that's about it.

                            Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
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                            Dan Neely
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                            Unmothballing factories and rehiring experienced personnel is cheaper and faster than restarting from scratch elsewhere; and isn't exactly uncommon in the US. OTOH if your laws intended to protect workers make doing so too expensive... I've no sympathy for self inflicted injuries. The article says that 40 workers were involved; that's far from an isolated act by a single hotheaded idiot.

                            The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                              Of course not, but at least he'll know it has consequences and that you're not just a number :)

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                              JimmyRopes
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                              harold aptroot wrote:

                              Of course not, but at least he'll know it has consequences and that you're not just a number

                              After your day in court you may very well be just a number for a while.

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                              • K Kelly Herald

                                Especially if they made guns like the Chauchat Machine gun[^]. This POS has got to be the worst gun ever inflicted on the WWI Allies. The guns would jam every other shot and you couldn't take parts from one and use on another. The American soldiers just started calling it the Soso gun.

                                Kelly Herald Software Developer

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                                JimmyRopes
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                                Kelly Herald wrote:

                                Especially if they made guns like the Chauchat Machine gun[^]

                                I would buy wine from France, or Italy, but not anything manufactured like a car. I wouldn't buy wine from Germany but have no problem buying a car manufactured there. Different cultures have different sources of pride.

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