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    Mike Marynowski
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    ...someone wrote a Flash-based Silverlight engine. I'm sure that's not what Microsoft wants, but it would be instant ubiquity for Silverlight. Flash has that fancy new native C converter, so I don't see performance being a huuuge issue. Considering MoonLight is open source, a ton of ground work has already been laid down. Anybody up for a challenge? haha

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      ...someone wrote a Flash-based Silverlight engine. I'm sure that's not what Microsoft wants, but it would be instant ubiquity for Silverlight. Flash has that fancy new native C converter, so I don't see performance being a huuuge issue. Considering MoonLight is open source, a ton of ground work has already been laid down. Anybody up for a challenge? haha

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      Super Lloyd
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      It does already exist! It's called Silverlight! Unknown to you it has been developed by Adobe people! Of course you need to install a (very little) something to your PC (which does all the translation magic), but this all smooth and transparent! Happy now? :-D In what way were you thinking of something different? :confused:

      A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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        It does already exist! It's called Silverlight! Unknown to you it has been developed by Adobe people! Of course you need to install a (very little) something to your PC (which does all the translation magic), but this all smooth and transparent! Happy now? :-D In what way were you thinking of something different? :confused:

        A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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        Mike Marynowski
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        Did you read my post? A SILVERLIGHT engine that runs on Flash, in order to achieve instant ubiquity for Silverlight. So, you can develop Silverlight applications and not have to worry if the person has Silverlight installed _ as long as they have Flash installed, you could fallback to the Flaash based engine, point it at your XAP file, and BAM, the SL app runs in flash. There are tons of advantages to this. Silverlight is MUCH more developer friendly.

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          Did you read my post? A SILVERLIGHT engine that runs on Flash, in order to achieve instant ubiquity for Silverlight. So, you can develop Silverlight applications and not have to worry if the person has Silverlight installed _ as long as they have Flash installed, you could fallback to the Flaash based engine, point it at your XAP file, and BAM, the SL app runs in flash. There are tons of advantages to this. Silverlight is MUCH more developer friendly.

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          Pete OHanlon
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          Mike Marynowski wrote:

          Did you read my post?

          Did you see his joke icon?

          "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

          As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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            Did you read my post? A SILVERLIGHT engine that runs on Flash, in order to achieve instant ubiquity for Silverlight. So, you can develop Silverlight applications and not have to worry if the person has Silverlight installed _ as long as they have Flash installed, you could fallback to the Flaash based engine, point it at your XAP file, and BAM, the SL app runs in flash. There are tons of advantages to this. Silverlight is MUCH more developer friendly.

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            Michael Sync
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            Yes.. this is very good point but it might not be possible. :)

            Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) Microsoft MVP (Silverlight), WPF/Silverlight Insiders

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              Did you read my post? A SILVERLIGHT engine that runs on Flash, in order to achieve instant ubiquity for Silverlight. So, you can develop Silverlight applications and not have to worry if the person has Silverlight installed _ as long as they have Flash installed, you could fallback to the Flaash based engine, point it at your XAP file, and BAM, the SL app runs in flash. There are tons of advantages to this. Silverlight is MUCH more developer friendly.

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              Super Lloyd
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              Did you think about your question? Let me formulate it differently. What you want is a flash extension that runs .NET code. Flash now can't do it. So it will need to be upgraded with a new installer which runs .NET code. Now my point is: what is the difference with a new flash installer that runs .NET code and the current Silverlight installer that runs .NET code?

              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                Mike Marynowski wrote:

                Did you read my post?

                Did you see his joke icon?

                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                Mike Marynowski
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                Yes, I saw the joke icon..."haha Adobe already did that" was the joke...but the "how is that any different" part is clearly not.

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                  Yes.. this is very good point but it might not be possible. :)

                  Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) Microsoft MVP (Silverlight), WPF/Silverlight Insiders

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                  Mike Marynowski
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                  I think for the most part, it could be done...there would probably be some differences that would have to be taken into account, but I think they could be made minimal. I can't think of a Silverlight feature that couldn't be emulated in Flash.

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                    Did you think about your question? Let me formulate it differently. What you want is a flash extension that runs .NET code. Flash now can't do it. So it will need to be upgraded with a new installer which runs .NET code. Now my point is: what is the difference with a new flash installer that runs .NET code and the current Silverlight installer that runs .NET code?

                    A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                    Mike Marynowski
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                    I don't want a flash "extension"...I want a flash application that loads a specified XAP file (i.e. by passing in the path as an argument), parses the contents, and runs the Silverlight application. Basically, taking the MoonLight engine and converting all the low level browser stuff to run within the Flash engine. *Edited for clarity

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                      Yes, I saw the joke icon..."haha Adobe already did that" was the joke...but the "how is that any different" part is clearly not.

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      I treated the whole thing as a joke.

                      "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                      As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                        I treated the whole thing as a joke.

                        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                        As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                        Mike Marynowski
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                        I think his follow-up question below makes it pretty clear it wasn't a joke :P

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                          ...someone wrote a Flash-based Silverlight engine. I'm sure that's not what Microsoft wants, but it would be instant ubiquity for Silverlight. Flash has that fancy new native C converter, so I don't see performance being a huuuge issue. Considering MoonLight is open source, a ton of ground work has already been laid down. Anybody up for a challenge? haha

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                          Nader Elshehabi
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                          Well, It's not exactly what you're looking for but some people did think like you and made this.[^] Is it close enough? ;)

                          Regards:rose:

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                            Well, It's not exactly what you're looking for but some people did think like you and made this.[^] Is it close enough? ;)

                            Regards:rose:

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                            Mike Marynowski
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                            That's interesting, although I wouldn't go back to WinForms if my life depended on it :P

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                              That's interesting, although I wouldn't go back to WinForms if my life depended on it :P

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                              Nader Elshehabi
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                              Mike Marynowski wrote:

                              I wouldn't go back to WinForms if my life depended on it

                              Wow! Why is the feud?

                              Regards:rose:

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                                Mike Marynowski wrote:

                                I wouldn't go back to WinForms if my life depended on it

                                Wow! Why is the feud?

                                Regards:rose:

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                                Mike Marynowski
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                                Haha...I've been in the land of WPF and Silverlight for the last year or so...and it is really quite wonderful. I love the seperation of data and its visual representation, and the endless possibilities for templating controls. WinForms works great for simple applications, or applications that use "standard" controls in "standard" ways. But it quickly becomes a royal pain after that :P

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                                  Haha...I've been in the land of WPF and Silverlight for the last year or so...and it is really quite wonderful. I love the seperation of data and its visual representation, and the endless possibilities for templating controls. WinForms works great for simple applications, or applications that use "standard" controls in "standard" ways. But it quickly becomes a royal pain after that :P

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                                  Nader Elshehabi
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                                  Couldn't agree more.:cool:

                                  Regards:rose:

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