What do you do while building?
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John M. Drescher wrote:
5 external libraries daily.
Is this a typo, or did you neglect to mention something? Your build time/sizes are still huge compared to anything I've done in C#. Do you know if it's just nonlinear scaling or something C++ish to blame. For diskspace it's a ~5x factor (2MB/kloc vs 11MB/kloc); For build times unless there're compiler errors mine builds in 7-40sec for a full rebuild (dunno why the variability; but it seems to go away if I collapse the number of projects down significantly) for a 2-18x difference (30-170kloc/minute vs 9.5-15.5kloc/minute (excluding the 3 big libaries)).
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Large projects are pretty common in C++. Visual Lint is something like 230kLOC in 24 projects now, and takes about 10 mins to build on my W2k8 server box. You need about 5GB free for the binaries and intermediates (debug, release and retail configurations). FWIW the higher build times compared to C# are almost certainly largely due to the use of include files rather than binary imports (like the C# "using" keyword) in the language. There is a proposal to add a binary module linking capability to the language which will probably address this to an extent - but unfortunately it won't be in the next C++ Standard. If you knock out the system headers C++ implementation files compile very quickly. Then again, C++ is a far more complex language than C# (and compiles direct to native code rather than the rather idealised IL, which has an impact on build time too).
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
Preferred Action : queue another build and go for a coffee or 2 to read book. Current read : The Buddha & Dr Fuhrer by Charles Allen. Nothing to do with Hitler, digging up Buddhist relics in 19th century India, good read. Normal Reality : arrive late for yet another decision free, where the f... are we, politically charged, rolling eyes, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, meeting, where I have no role to play, and where they won't even let me take the minutes - or read my book; biscuits are free, coffee's awful.
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bertvan wrote:
How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
Working out how to speed up the build... Cursing the numpty who didn't distribute their code in files so as to minimise build times... Then I get bored, start surfing t'Internet and come back later to find I've wasted 20 minutes after the build had finished...
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If this is a website using Visual Studio , then the key is to convert it to Web Application Model. If you are not clear on what I mean, check this: http://weblogs.asp.net/meligy/archive/2008/08/03/converting-vs-2008-website-to-web-application.aspx[^] Regards, -- Mohamed Meligy Information Analyst (.Net Technologies) – Applications Delivery - TDG Injazat Data Systems P.O. Box: 8230 Abu Dhabi, UAE. Phone: +971 2 6992700 Direct: +971 2 4045385 Mobile: +971 50 2623624 E-mail: eng.meligy@gmail.com Weblog: http://weblogs.asp.net/meligy
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If this is a website using Visual Studio , then the key is to convert it to Web Application Model. If you are not clear on what I mean, check this: http://weblogs.asp.net/meligy/archive/2008/08/03/converting-vs-2008-website-to-web-application.aspx[^] Regards, -- Mohamed Meligy Information Analyst (.Net Technologies) – Applications Delivery - TDG Injazat Data Systems P.O. Box: 8230 Abu Dhabi, UAE. Phone: +971 2 6992700 Direct: +971 2 4045385 Mobile: +971 50 2623624 E-mail: eng.meligy@gmail.com Weblog: http://weblogs.asp.net/meligy
Mohamed Meligy wrote:
If this is a website using Visual Studio , then the key is to convert it to Web Application Model.
:-) When I do build a website, I use Python+one of the many Python libraries for building websites (Turbogears is a current favourite) - no building involved, really. No, the building I'm talking about is many, many, many lines of C++, or (occasionally) Ada or Fortran, often using Makefiles rather than an IDE.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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I'd rather grab a co-workwer and talk to a coffee.
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
I thought that's why The Code Project exists.
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
What kind of software are you writing that takes so long to build? :omg:
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
I used to bring library books for when I was cross-compiling CMS-2 code on a VAX for AN/UYK-20 or 44 Navy computers. That was before the internet. :sigh: Now if I get a chance between builds (rarely) it's XKCD or CP.
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bertvan wrote:
How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
Working out how to speed up the build... Cursing the numpty who didn't distribute their code in files so as to minimise build times... Then I get bored, start surfing t'Internet and come back later to find I've wasted 20 minutes after the build had finished...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Ditto here. I tried multitasking on software related things, but found I would loose too much mental context to make it effective. So I try to do other non-SW tasks, and at worst, keep a very close eye on the build progress so I can immediately switch back when it completes.
patbob
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
Depending on how I'm feeling; 1. Work that doesn't require coding, i.e documentation, writing test cases etc, spec updates, design next piece of system, research better ways of doing something I know is coming up, reading email etc. 2. Hang out on code project or the MS forums and try to either learn something or help someone else.
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
I attempt to destroy someone else's productivity while mine is shot by the crappy computer I was given :)
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That was an awesome comic link!
Know way too many languages... master of none!
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I'd rather grab a co-workwer and talk to a coffee.
I second that: :D
Know way too many languages... master of none!
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I'm working on a project with a long build duration. How do you normally kill time when you return with your coffee and the build is still busy?
Use Freepascal - it compiles and links in one pass - fast as heck. my c++ stuff always takes WAY longer and is more complicated in general (linking wise) than freepascal... I usually watch builds closely for errors. I also try to set things so that not everything is forced to recompile - just new changes. Now for twidling fingers? I read emails and follow up and occasionally end up here like many of the others kicking about.
Know way too many languages... master of none!