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    vasavi p
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    Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

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      Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

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      Pete OHanlon
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      vasavi.p wrote:

      Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

      Good. You've got the beginnings of a specification there; it needs fleshing out, but it's a decent start. What have you accomplished so far?

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        Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

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        benjymous
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        here's some pseudocode

        repeat
        r = get random number
        until r is a new unique number
        remember you've seen r before

        Implementation is left as an exercise to the reader

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          here's some pseudocode

          repeat
          r = get random number
          until r is a new unique number
          remember you've seen r before

          Implementation is left as an exercise to the reader

          Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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          Luc Pattyn
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          that may take forever. :~

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            that may take forever. :~

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            Pete OHanlon
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            An easier way would be to reseed the randomizer after every call with a value greater than the last returned result. It's not a great way, but it cuts out the checking.

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              An easier way would be to reseed the randomizer after every call with a value greater than the last returned result. It's not a great way, but it cuts out the checking.

              "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

              As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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              When N "random" numbers in [0, RANGE) need to be unique, the range typically is small, so I prefer to put them all in a bag and use a random index to get them, one by one. So there is no need for a retry. And the problem has no solution for N>RANGE so some precautions need to be taken in any algorithm based on retrying. :)

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                An easier way would be to reseed the randomizer after every call with a value greater than the last returned result. It's not a great way, but it cuts out the checking.

                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                Would that work? Since the next random value could be less than the seed, you could re-seed with a value you've used previously.

                There are three kinds of people in the world - those who can count and those who can't...

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                  Would that work? Since the next random value could be less than the seed, you could re-seed with a value you've used previously.

                  There are three kinds of people in the world - those who can count and those who can't...

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                  What I was thinking was actually using Random.Next with the starting value being the value you've just retrieved + some small amount as the starting point, e.g. Random.Next(lastVal + 1, lastVal + 100).

                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

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                    What I was thinking was actually using Random.Next with the starting value being the value you've just retrieved + some small amount as the starting point, e.g. Random.Next(lastVal + 1, lastVal + 100).

                    "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

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                    Luc Pattyn
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                    I'm afraid there is no way you can tell the RNG what all the numbers are that have already been picked, so the best you can achieve is avoid repeating the previous number, not all the older ones. Of course if all the OP wants to avoid is consecutive duplication, then your way would be fine. :)

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                      that may take forever. :~

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                      Yup, but the OP didn't really specify enough to say what he actually wanted, so I gave a generic, if not necessarily useful answer.

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                        When N "random" numbers in [0, RANGE) need to be unique, the range typically is small, so I prefer to put them all in a bag and use a random index to get them, one by one. So there is no need for a retry. And the problem has no solution for N>RANGE so some precautions need to be taken in any algorithm based on retrying. :)

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                        You could also shuffle your bag and just pop the top entry each time, depending on where the bottleneck ends up being

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                          You could also shuffle your bag and just pop the top entry each time, depending on where the bottleneck ends up being

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                          That would take a Random Shuffle Generator, which isn't provided by the .NET Framework as of now. :)

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                            What I was thinking was actually using Random.Next with the starting value being the value you've just retrieved + some small amount as the starting point, e.g. Random.Next(lastVal + 1, lastVal + 100).

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                            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                            Random.Next(lastVal + 1, lastVal + 100)

                            Erm, doesn't that just give you a monotonically increasing set of values?

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                              Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              People ask that frequently here, have you searched the threads in this forum?

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                                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                Random.Next(lastVal + 1, lastVal + 100)

                                Erm, doesn't that just give you a monotonically increasing set of values?

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                                Yes - I'm not saying it's the way I'd do it, just that it is a way.

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                                  Need the randomization of numbers without repeatation using c#

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                                  How many non-repeating random numbers are you going to want to get ? What is the range of random numbers - are they integers or real.

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