Speaking of TxtSpeak [modified]
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
The place where there was no need for 140 character limit (read Twitter), the imposed limit turned out to be beneficial.
Who did it benefit?
twitter website.
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kinar wrote:
lowest common denominator. Look at Walmart.
That is offensive because it implies that "mindless drivel" equates to not having a lot of money to spend. They are certainly very different things.
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That is interesting. I did not know that.
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twitter website.
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Ah, but:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I wonder how people might have felt during the times when "thou art" became "You are".
Was a progression, whereas:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
"u r"
is a regression (and if it continues, language will disappear and we'll be back to ape like grunting). On the Radio 4 a few weeks back there was some "professor" spouting nonsense that spelling, grammar and punctuation don't matter. He was an arse, but also a hypocrite - you don't get to be a professor of anything other than broom handling if your spelling, grammar and punctuation aren't up to scratch. I blame the current state of the language, in Britain at least, on the television. Programming appears to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, the most moronic of audience, the most base of human instinct. I haven't seen any challenging, intelligent, uncomfortable or engaging TV in years. I don't think quality TV programs exist any more as everything has been dumbed down to appeal to the most basic human instincts: eating, sleeping and shagging. But that's just me, and I'm rapidly turning into an old git :-D
martin_hughes wrote:
Programming appears to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, the most moronic of audience, the most base of human instinct.
Hi Martin, I think you have just handed our knee-jerk-quote-out-of-context trolls a stuffed suckling pig on a platter with apple in mouth with that one :) best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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martin_hughes wrote:
you don't get to be a professor of anything other than broom handling if your spelling, grammar and punctuation aren't up to scratch.
I once received a bulk e-mail from a Professor of Communication (I won't say from which establishment to save his blushes) in which not only had he CCed many people (not BCCed), he had also missed out the letter L from "our public-facing website"... I contacted him requesting that he (1) learn how to use BCC and (2) check his spelling, and his two-line reply was riddled with more errors. I despaired for our youth and our future at that point.
I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine
Steve_Harris wrote:
I once received a bulk e-mail from a Professor of Communication (I won't say from which establishment to save his blushes) in which not only had he CCed many people (not BCCed),
Hi Steve, Those words really resonate with my experience with the academics I sometimes correspond with re my archaeological/art history hobby/passion (the evolution of Theravadan Buddhist, Indic, and "animist" iconography in S. E. Asia). As a group they seem to all have total disregard for what you might call basic on-line "netiquette." best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Probably not since "you are" was the formal form of address, not the informal as is commonly presumed.
Joe Woodbury wrote:
"you are" was the formal form of address, not the informal as is commonly presumed.
Methinks thou dost not yet, forsooth, limn this quibble as 'twas for the nonce, but, verily, mayhaps a bit o' book-larning would sate thy mind. Prince : "Thou art so fat-witted with drinking of old sack, and unbuttoning thee after supper, and sleeping upon benches after noon, that thou hast forgotten to demand that truly which thou wouldest truly know. What a devil hast thou to do with the time of the day?" Falstaff : "Indeed, you come near me now, Hal … And, I prithee, sweet wag, when thou art a king, as God save thy Grace – Majesty, I should say; for grace thou wilt have none." In the above Shakespeare is hinting how besotted/whacko Falstaff is when uses the familiar "you" to his King, who, in this case, is also his superior officer. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
"you are" was the formal form of address, not the informal as is commonly presumed.
Methinks thou dost not yet, forsooth, limn this quibble as 'twas for the nonce, but, verily, mayhaps a bit o' book-larning would sate thy mind. Prince : "Thou art so fat-witted with drinking of old sack, and unbuttoning thee after supper, and sleeping upon benches after noon, that thou hast forgotten to demand that truly which thou wouldest truly know. What a devil hast thou to do with the time of the day?" Falstaff : "Indeed, you come near me now, Hal … And, I prithee, sweet wag, when thou art a king, as God save thy Grace – Majesty, I should say; for grace thou wilt have none." In the above Shakespeare is hinting how besotted/whacko Falstaff is when uses the familiar "you" to his King, who, in this case, is also his superior officer. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
You are partially correct. Ye\You started as a sign of respect for similar in the plural to the "royal we". By 1600, ye was lost and you was supplanting thee. Shakespeare wrote for the people and used their dialect. By the mid-17th century, thou was seen as being condescending (modern definition) and you became entrenched for the singular. In your illustration, Falstaff is using "you" exactly according to the vernacular of the day.
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I wonder how people might have felt during the times when "thou art" became "You are". Did they look at "you are" with a similar disdain as we now look "u r". More importantly do you think, after 100 years or so, "you are" will be considered archaic in favor of "u r". What will finally replace "u r"? Brain to brain direct communication instead of language? :~
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I wonder how people might have felt during the times when "thou art" became "You are".
They didn't care worth a damn, because they all had to speak multiple languages/dialects, so all that mattered was communication. And don't forget that there is no such thing as an English language. Every word of the language we use was derived from languages that originated elsewhere; native English languages all died out, during our "let's be invaded" period. Of course, there has always been a lot of "Them as live in the village over am stupid, 'cause them doesn't speak goodly like what we does!", but the real grammar snobbery only started a short time before Sammy-boy published his incredibly snobbish dictionary. Those of us who have spent years actually studying English (rather than just browse through a style guide or two) despair of the idiotic snobs who, after having only browsed through a style guide or two, believe themselves to be gods of English. They can stuff this in their pipe: If a large enough proportion of a sector of English-speaking populace uses "ur" to mean "you are", and they do so continuously and consistently, then the word "ur" is a part of the English language. That's how words get into the language -- it's how every single word we use got there. However, I reserve the right to brutally and bloodily murder anyone who uses the word "any" as a prefix to form a word that is any other part of speech than a noun.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Interesting point. My experience has been, to generalise horrifically, that Indians (and I mean the whole sub-continent) tend to be sticklers for the "Queens English" more than almost all English people are. I've a feeling this is because the language is actually taught and passed on, rather than never taught and passed on. I make fun of Pete coming from up North and his Geordie ways. The truth is for such a small country there are so many dialects in England alone, never mind the British Isles, it's almost impossible to always understand native English speakers. Anyone taught the "Queens English" and expecting to go almost anywhere in Britain (other than Esher) and understand what's said to them is in for a very rude surprise. The locals will probably understand them, but the other way around I'm not so sure about. And this is my point about written communications. I can understand you perfectly, you might be sixth generation American or first generation Indian, I can understand Pete, I can understand Luc... I can even understand Dalek Dave when he isn't doing his CCC's!
martin_hughes wrote:
My experience has been, to generalise horrifically, that Indians (and I mean the whole sub-continent) tend to be sticklers for the "Queens English" more than almost all English people are.
Very true, until the 80s, and well into the 90s. Granted, a few of those cases still survive, but Indian English, esp as used by today's under-30s, veers away from Commonwealth English and towards American English. Shouldn't there be an apostrophe in "Queen's English"?
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
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I wonder how people might have felt during the times when "thou art" became "You are". Did they look at "you are" with a similar disdain as we now look "u r". More importantly do you think, after 100 years or so, "you are" will be considered archaic in favor of "u r". What will finally replace "u r"? Brain to brain direct communication instead of language? :~
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I don't understand why people still use txtspk? It's harder for me to type 'u' than it is to type 'you' with predictive text.
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martin_hughes wrote:
My experience has been, to generalise horrifically, that Indians (and I mean the whole sub-continent) tend to be sticklers for the "Queens English" more than almost all English people are.
Very true, until the 80s, and well into the 90s. Granted, a few of those cases still survive, but Indian English, esp as used by today's under-30s, veers away from Commonwealth English and towards American English. Shouldn't there be an apostrophe in "Queen's English"?
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Shouldn't there be an apostrophe in "Queen's English"?
Probably :-D
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Ah, but:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I wonder how people might have felt during the times when "thou art" became "You are".
Was a progression, whereas:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
"u r"
is a regression (and if it continues, language will disappear and we'll be back to ape like grunting). On the Radio 4 a few weeks back there was some "professor" spouting nonsense that spelling, grammar and punctuation don't matter. He was an arse, but also a hypocrite - you don't get to be a professor of anything other than broom handling if your spelling, grammar and punctuation aren't up to scratch. I blame the current state of the language, in Britain at least, on the television. Programming appears to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, the most moronic of audience, the most base of human instinct. I haven't seen any challenging, intelligent, uncomfortable or engaging TV in years. I don't think quality TV programs exist any more as everything has been dumbed down to appeal to the most basic human instincts: eating, sleeping and shagging. But that's just me, and I'm rapidly turning into an old git :-D
martin_hughes wrote:
I'm rapidly turning into an old git
Ah, but are you becoming an insufferable old git? That's where the joy lies, I can tell you :-D.
Software Zen:
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
"you are" was the formal form of address, not the informal as is commonly presumed.
Methinks thou dost not yet, forsooth, limn this quibble as 'twas for the nonce, but, verily, mayhaps a bit o' book-larning would sate thy mind. Prince : "Thou art so fat-witted with drinking of old sack, and unbuttoning thee after supper, and sleeping upon benches after noon, that thou hast forgotten to demand that truly which thou wouldest truly know. What a devil hast thou to do with the time of the day?" Falstaff : "Indeed, you come near me now, Hal … And, I prithee, sweet wag, when thou art a king, as God save thy Grace – Majesty, I should say; for grace thou wilt have none." In the above Shakespeare is hinting how besotted/whacko Falstaff is when uses the familiar "you" to his King, who, in this case, is also his superior officer. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
Boy, he shore do talk purdy, now don't he?
Software Zen:
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I don't understand why people still use txtspk? It's harder for me to type 'u' than it is to type 'you' with predictive text.
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Boy, he shore do talk purdy, now don't he?
Software Zen:
delete this;Well sir, I surely do know I had me some good larnin' whupped into me, but a lot of the things they stuck in my brain didn't stick around too long 'cause I's a wild one. But now, these here aliens done fixed me up with an implant takes care a all that. I get more channels now than most people get on cable, yes-siree-bob. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Well sir, I surely do know I had me some good larnin' whupped into me, but a lot of the things they stuck in my brain didn't stick around too long 'cause I's a wild one. But now, these here aliens done fixed me up with an implant takes care a all that. I get more channels now than most people get on cable, yes-siree-bob. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
modified on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:45 PM
Meself, I married me an English major.
Software Zen:
delete this;
