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VS 2008 Reeeeealllyyy sucks.

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    tony85701
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    This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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      This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      tony85701 wrote:

      This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly

      As far as I know VS 2008 is not a Point Of Sale tool. May be it is crashing because you are trying to use it as a Point of Sale tool?

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        tony85701 wrote:

        This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly

        As far as I know VS 2008 is not a Point Of Sale tool. May be it is crashing because you are trying to use it as a Point of Sale tool?

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        tony85701
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        Sorry Rama, I sould have spelled out POS (not point of sale, more like piece of sh....).

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          This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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          Shog9 0
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          I hear Emacs is good this time of year...

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            I hear Emacs is good this time of year...

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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Or Nemanja would say VI is better ;)

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              Or Nemanja would say VI is better ;)

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              Shog9 0
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              Of course,

              copy con program.c

              ...should be all the IDE a real Windows programmer needs... :rolleyes:

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                Sorry Rama, I sould have spelled out POS (not point of sale, more like piece of sh....).

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                Todd Smith
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                tony85701 wrote:

                Sorry Rama, I sould have spelled out POS (not point of sale, more like piece of sh....).

                Piece of ShamwWoW? I know what you mean. Those little chamois can really suck it up!

                Todd Smith

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                  Of course,

                  copy con program.c

                  ...should be all the IDE a real Windows programmer needs... :rolleyes:

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                  BonshatS
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                  Shog9 wrote:

                  copy con edlin program.c...should be all the IDE a real Windows programmer needs...

                  FTFY

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                    I hear Emacs is good this time of year...

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                    _Damian S_
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                    Shog9 wrote:

                    Emacs is good

                    I gnu you were going to say that...

                    I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!

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                      This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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                      Joe Woodbury
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                      Must depend on what you're doing. I haven't had any problems with it.

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                      • T tony85701

                        This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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                        Mycroft Holmes
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                        Me thinks it be the driver - idiot behind the stick (mouse). Our team has been using it for (scratches head and tries to remember when we upgraded) ages with no more complaints than usual. It crashes every now and then, locks up occasionally and sometimes just plan spits the dummy, its an IDE and I have never used one that didn't do this. Get over it.

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                          Me thinks it be the driver - idiot behind the stick (mouse). Our team has been using it for (scratches head and tries to remember when we upgraded) ages with no more complaints than usual. It crashes every now and then, locks up occasionally and sometimes just plan spits the dummy, its an IDE and I have never used one that didn't do this. Get over it.

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                          tony85701
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                          We bitchy today? And idiot is yo momma.

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                            We bitchy today? And idiot is yo momma.

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                            Mycroft Holmes
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                            tony85701 wrote:

                            We bitchy today

                            Nah just tired of people bitching about a development tool I find quite acceptable. Hence the assumption that is an individual thing. The idiot reference is to an "idiot stick" = shovel, the equivalent of our mouse.

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                              This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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                              raicuandi
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                              Faulty computer more likely. Lots of possible reasons: AMD CPUs made a couple of years ago sometimes have problems and overheat, cheapo RAM tends to randomly 00000000000000000break, about-to-die HDDs are veeery slow etc. If you run Notepad, everything can be fine because CPU usage will be low. You start a big fat IDE or a videogame, usage spikes and the problems start manifesting. Seen it quite a couple of times. Then again, VS is known to have performance problems with Intellisense with really big C++ projects.

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                                This POS tool (VS 2008) crashes constantly, it is extremely slow, and has very non-intuitive controls. Perhaps it was one of those cases where management says that nobody is indispensible, and MS lost some quality developers? Terrible tool, I'm considering retiring. :mad::mad::mad:

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                                realJSOP
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                                If you're going to rant about something, you're going to have to go into a LOT more detail, and make it entertaining as well.

                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                  Me thinks it be the driver - idiot behind the stick (mouse). Our team has been using it for (scratches head and tries to remember when we upgraded) ages with no more complaints than usual. It crashes every now and then, locks up occasionally and sometimes just plan spits the dummy, its an IDE and I have never used one that didn't do this. Get over it.

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                                  Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                  It crashes every now and then, locks up occasionally and sometimes just plan spits the dummy

                                  And how much did you pay for the pleasure?

                                  Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                  its an IDE and I have never used one that didn't do this

                                  Sad, really. Seriously, don't you expect and deserve better?

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                                    Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                    It crashes every now and then, locks up occasionally and sometimes just plan spits the dummy

                                    And how much did you pay for the pleasure?

                                    Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                    its an IDE and I have never used one that didn't do this

                                    Sad, really. Seriously, don't you expect and deserve better?

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                                    Mycroft Holmes
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                                    I paid the usual, MSDN subscription from the company.

                                    Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                    Seriously, don't you expect and deserve better?

                                    I would LIKE better but have no realistic expectation of ever getting better, I accept a certain amount of angst as the cost of being a developer, I expect to need to reboot every couple of days and accept that I will screw the system occasionally. You people seem to think a development environment is like a production system, you know where everything is catered for, all bugs removed and options locked down. It's a development environment for gods sake!

                                    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                      I paid the usual, MSDN subscription from the company.

                                      Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                      Seriously, don't you expect and deserve better?

                                      I would LIKE better but have no realistic expectation of ever getting better, I accept a certain amount of angst as the cost of being a developer, I expect to need to reboot every couple of days and accept that I will screw the system occasionally. You people seem to think a development environment is like a production system, you know where everything is catered for, all bugs removed and options locked down. It's a development environment for gods sake!

                                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                      Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                      I would LIKE better but have no realistic expectation of ever getting better, I accept a certain amount of angst as the cost of being a developer,

                                      Congratulations, you've officially become Microsoft's bitch. ;P J/K

                                      Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                      You people seem to think a development environment is like a production system, you know where everything is catered for, all bugs removed and options locked down.

                                      Seriously, I accept the occasional bug in just about any system (except cockpit controls). However, the acceptability of the bug is somewhat tied to the price of the software. Microsoft markets VS as the ultimate development environment for the most widely used operating system in the world provided by a premier corporation - and they price it accordingly. Given all this, I expect good quality. Analogy time: If you buy a high end Lexus you expect (and deserve) better quality than if you buy a cheap Ford.

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                                        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                        I would LIKE better but have no realistic expectation of ever getting better, I accept a certain amount of angst as the cost of being a developer,

                                        Congratulations, you've officially become Microsoft's bitch. ;P J/K

                                        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                        You people seem to think a development environment is like a production system, you know where everything is catered for, all bugs removed and options locked down.

                                        Seriously, I accept the occasional bug in just about any system (except cockpit controls). However, the acceptability of the bug is somewhat tied to the price of the software. Microsoft markets VS as the ultimate development environment for the most widely used operating system in the world provided by a premier corporation - and they price it accordingly. Given all this, I expect good quality. Analogy time: If you buy a high end Lexus you expect (and deserve) better quality than if you buy a cheap Ford.

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                                        Mycroft Holmes
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                                        Actually the most irritating IDE was an early version of Delphi, and Superbase was a PITA even though I used it for 7 years.

                                        Mike Mullikin wrote:

                                        Given all this, I expect good quality.

                                        I guess the cost is transparent to me, paid for by the client and I don't need to hassle for the budget so I don't have the exposure to the cost. I've always had a problem with MS marketing, I have become so inured to it that I no longer even notice it, any organisation that employs evangelists need their head read.

                                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                          I hear Emacs is good this time of year...

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                                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                          Say that in a VI convention...

                                          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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