The Apple Tax
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed.
But nowhere near as much as if they released an operating system that doesn't work on hardware more than 3 years old. It all goes back to the key point - Microsoft is a software company - Apple is a hardware company. Their main software (OS/X and iTunes) exists only to sell more hardware.
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Another compelling reason why to avoid Apple - period.
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Hi Chris, Good point ... It's like those iPhone ... every year you need to buy a new one because they enhanced something on it, making the previous one obsolete. Good way to make money ... yes .... bad way to hold onto your consumers. Kind regards,
The only programmers that are better C# programmers, are those who look like this -> :bob:
:)Programm3r My Blog: ^_^
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
From what I've seen of all 4 OSes, Leopard:Snow Leopard == Vista:Weven - so who's overcharging for the service pack?
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I think it has about the same number of extra features which Windows 7 has over Vista. So, I think $29 is an extremely reasonable price over $100+ you have to pay for upgrading Vista to Windows 7.
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
It's not so much a tax that "Apple people" pay as much as a discount Microsoft needs to get people to use their OS. ;P
Chris Maunder wrote:
I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed.
Have you really thought this through? XP RTM and XP w/ SP1 were complete crap. Vista RTM and Vista SP1 are... well.. nuff' said. Using the logic that fixes and minor improvements should be free I'd say there is a much bigger case that Weven should be free to all Vista users. No?
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
It's alot cheaper than the current Vista service pack
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It's not so much a tax that "Apple people" pay as much as a discount Microsoft needs to get people to use their OS. ;P
Chris Maunder wrote:
I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed.
Have you really thought this through? XP RTM and XP w/ SP1 were complete crap. Vista RTM and Vista SP1 are... well.. nuff' said. Using the logic that fixes and minor improvements should be free I'd say there is a much bigger case that Weven should be free to all Vista users. No?
Well, I'm all for every OS being free (or near free). However, there is no reason that Weven should be free based on the fact that Vista had terrible PR. Its not a bad OS, it just didn't deliver what people wanted. Sadly, weven is exactly the same OS but people are more acceptable to it simply because they have already been through the hard part of the transistion and thus it is now another easy upgrade like they are used to.
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Well, I'm all for every OS being free (or near free). However, there is no reason that Weven should be free based on the fact that Vista had terrible PR. Its not a bad OS, it just didn't deliver what people wanted. Sadly, weven is exactly the same OS but people are more acceptable to it simply because they have already been through the hard part of the transistion and thus it is now another easy upgrade like they are used to.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed.
But nowhere near as much as if they released an operating system that doesn't work on hardware more than 3 years old. It all goes back to the key point - Microsoft is a software company - Apple is a hardware company. Their main software (OS/X and iTunes) exists only to sell more hardware.
Electron Shepherd wrote:
But nowhere near as much as if they released an operating system that doesn't work on hardware more than 3 years old.
Yes, somebody really should complain about that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I honestly don't know why so many people are calling Snow Leopard a service pack. They may not have added a lot of new, shiny toys, but so what? That alone does not define a software release. To me, slimming down the size of the OS by 7GB, making all of the core apps 64-bit, adding OpenCL support, and adding a system-wide multi-core threading controller are pretty major features.
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Hi Chris, Good point ... It's like those iPhone ... every year you need to buy a new one because they enhanced something on it, making the previous one obsolete. Good way to make money ... yes .... bad way to hold onto your consumers. Kind regards,
The only programmers that are better C# programmers, are those who look like this -> :bob:
:)Programm3r My Blog: ^_^
Hmm, I still have one of the original iPhones, as does my wife. They run just fine with everything I have, they get all the latest software upgrades (minus whtever little bit of stuff that's "required" by the newer versions of the iPhone) and we have no plans to upgrade. I'm not sure what enhancements I'm missing, but then again, I like what I have. I will agree though that what you say is very common. So yes, the iPhone consumer base as a whole is probably unhappy with this way of doing business.
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I honestly don't know why so many people are calling Snow Leopard a service pack. They may not have added a lot of new, shiny toys, but so what? That alone does not define a software release. To me, slimming down the size of the OS by 7GB, making all of the core apps 64-bit, adding OpenCL support, and adding a system-wide multi-core threading controller are pretty major features.
It's not a true new OS version unless they add either a game or a screensaver.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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It's alot cheaper than the current Vista service pack
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cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Funny when I was a Mac guy (I started in design before moving to programming) I never worried about upgrading to a new OS. I still have my 7100/80AV with Mac OS 7.6 on it and it still works. The OS just worked so I never though about upgrading to a new OS to fix problems. When you buy a new Mac you get the new OS. Granted the 7100 is a doorstop now but I actually fired it up last year to read some data off of an old CD backup.:suss:
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Snow Leapard out[^] I don't get it. Everyone goes all gushy about paying $30 for a service pack. I think of XP SP2 and Vista SP1 and how much was in each of those, and how if Miscrosoft charged they would be absolutely slammed. But with Applie it's a "no brainer". Well, I guess no brainer really does describe the entire situation well.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed. … I'm saying we don't do a new version to fix bugs. We don't. Not enough people would buy it. You can take a hundred people using Microsoft Word. Call them up and say "Would you buy a new version because of bugs?" You won't get a single person to say they'd buy a new version because of bugs. We'd never be able to sell a release on that basis.
(Bill Gates, 1995) Still, getting 7GB of my disc back is a nice feature IMO. {I'm also looking forward to updating all my VMs to Weven when I have a chance...}
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Hi Chris, Good point ... It's like those iPhone ... every year you need to buy a new one because they enhanced something on it, making the previous one obsolete. Good way to make money ... yes .... bad way to hold onto your consumers. Kind regards,
The only programmers that are better C# programmers, are those who look like this -> :bob:
:)Programm3r My Blog: ^_^
Programm3r wrote:
It's like those iPhone ... every year you need to buy a new one because they enhanced something on it, making the previous one obsolete.
Ummmm... this is absolutely ridiculous. Every cell phone manufacturer in existence releases new and updated products several times every year. As does nearly every consumer gadget manufacturer in every category (MP3 player, GPS, television, PC, etc...)
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Hmm, I still have one of the original iPhones, as does my wife. They run just fine with everything I have, they get all the latest software upgrades (minus whtever little bit of stuff that's "required" by the newer versions of the iPhone) and we have no plans to upgrade. I'm not sure what enhancements I'm missing, but then again, I like what I have. I will agree though that what you say is very common. So yes, the iPhone consumer base as a whole is probably unhappy with this way of doing business.
The only couple of complaints I have about the iPhone vs. the iPod Touch:
- I would have liked to see a camera on the iPod Touch. It's not a killer feature though, and if the new one rumored to be announced in a few days has the camera, I doubt I will buy one.
- Bigger complaint -- iPhone gets the OS updates for free while iPod Touch users have to pay $10. Now, that's not too bad of a price, but why charge the "PDA" users and not the phone users (or why charge either user base at all)? There are useful features in the new OS, but there are also features you can't use because of the hardware differences. Not really worth $10 to the iPod Touch users, but I'll probably pony up for it eventually.
Flynn