What about the 1800 cool things Linux does that Windows doesn't?
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Well if Linux had a CListCtrl, then we could list them. ;P
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1. Every single package is in single update manager / installer. I do not need 50 tool bar icons running to notify me that application X has a new update. All of this is handled by the system. I can even have the updates (for everything not just the os) automatically download and install without any intervention. Also installs are automatically downloaded for me so I do not have to go to 100 different web pages to download and install software. 2. Performance never degrades over time. I have 64 bit systems running 24/7/365 that I installed 1 time in 2004 and they are still running fine. 3. Cloning a machine is extremely easy and you generally do not even have to have the same hardware on the new machine. 4. Software raid (1, 5,6 ...) works efficiently so there is absolutely no need for a hardware raid card on any machine that has a 2GHz processor or better. 200MB/s writes and 300MB reads are can be achieved on a 3 year old software raid 5 or 6 desktop class machine (athlon xp 5000+) with 6 to 8 drives attached to the motherboard SATA ports. 5. There is absolutely no need for anti-spyware or antivirus applications. All applications are installed from the official sources and are digitally signed to prevent tampering with. Also users generally do not log in with privileges that allow them to install or touch any part of the system that can cause harm.
John
modified on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:04 PM
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:zzz: (it's a f**'in Operating System for Chrissake. Get a Life !)
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sudo apt-get install
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I prefer:
sudo make me a sandwich
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5 points for sheer unmitigated gall, -1 for not using a
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sudo apt-get install
Later, JoeSox CPMCv1.0 - Last.fm - MyFriendfeed - Joesox.com
JoeSox wrote:
sudo apt-get install
That smells like Debian (probably Ubuntu these days) Us real 31tte haxors use nothing but:
make install
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Well, here's 11 of them anyway[^] :)
OMG what's the BFD?
Keep my system secure without software that consumes my system resources, requires my time, and frequently nags me Sigh. Another one of those "My poo doesn't smell" comments about Windows being less secure than [insert OS of choice].
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I would but I dumped them all to /dev/null! Oops!
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1. Every single package is in single update manager / installer. I do not need 50 tool bar icons running to notify me that application X has a new update. All of this is handled by the system. I can even have the updates (for everything not just the os) automatically download and install without any intervention. Also installs are automatically downloaded for me so I do not have to go to 100 different web pages to download and install software. 2. Performance never degrades over time. I have 64 bit systems running 24/7/365 that I installed 1 time in 2004 and they are still running fine. 3. Cloning a machine is extremely easy and you generally do not even have to have the same hardware on the new machine. 4. Software raid (1, 5,6 ...) works efficiently so there is absolutely no need for a hardware raid card on any machine that has a 2GHz processor or better. 200MB/s writes and 300MB reads are can be achieved on a 3 year old software raid 5 or 6 desktop class machine (athlon xp 5000+) with 6 to 8 drives attached to the motherboard SATA ports. 5. There is absolutely no need for anti-spyware or antivirus applications. All applications are installed from the official sources and are digitally signed to prevent tampering with. Also users generally do not log in with privileges that allow them to install or touch any part of the system that can cause harm.
John
modified on Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:04 PM
Out of curiousity which distro are you running in said 64 bit box? I'm looking for suggestions.
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Well, I make money using Windows. What do you do with Linux?
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Well, I make money using Windows. What do you do with Linux?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
I make money using Linux.
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Well, here's 11 of them anyway[^] :)
OMG what's the BFD?
Update every single piece of software on my system with a single action Ok, I can see where this might be useful. This one thing, that is all. But only if you don't have to recompile anything. And you already have all the right libs and packages installed. Otherwise you just end up with massive irreparable failure. Like the time I tried to install a video player under Suse... apparently there's a big difference between 9.1 and 9.2 or whatever it was. Backwards compatibility FTW? Update nearly everything on my computer without a reboot Convenient yes, but hardly a major selling point for people that rarely install stuff or shut their computer down every night anyway. Or just need an excuse to do nothing for 30 seconds. Keep my system secure without software that consumes my system resources, requires my time, and frequently nags me Just because the attack vector for Linux machines is so tiny doesn't mean you're secure. It's what 3% of desktops or something? And if you further break that 3% down into the 200+ different and largely incompatible distributions[^], you're pretty much immune to everything! Run an entire operating system for free without pirating software, and without breaking the law. Most Windows computers come with Windows pre-installed, and already licensed. And for most windows users, that's all they ever use (internet, email, web, IM etc). And for those that do need software to perform their jobs (Quickbooks or whatever), people actually do buy it. Let me know when I can reliably run games requiring DirectX-10 on Linux, and make full use of my Radeon 4850 video card. Take my settings with me where ever I go. Again, useful only on extemely rare occasions, such as when you buy a new computer. Run Internet Explorer 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, and 7.0 on the same desktop. Useful only for web developers. And if you really do need to do this, you can run a couple of VM's, such as Virtual PC or VirtualBox (that also happen to be free, negating the above argument about free software) Understand everything that is going on in my computer. LOL! Just LOL. Customize every aspect of my desktop. Most Windows desktops I've seen are just a mess of icons down the left side. People don't care about customizing their desktop to the extent that it looks completely different
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Well, here's 11 of them anyway[^] :)
OMG what's the BFD?
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Out of curiousity which distro are you running in said 64 bit box? I'm looking for suggestions.
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www.gentoo.org[^] However this is not for those who do not know linux or do not have the the time to learn as all configuration and installation is done from the shell and generally not a GUI. I do not even have X windows on most of those servers. There are two points that I believe gentoo is better than every other distro I have ever tried. The first is you install one single time and update on your schedule. Although there was media in the past there is no 2009.X release an there will not be one. Grab most any linux livecd and in a few commands (+ time everything is built from source) you have a current system. The other advantage is that you can usually install the version of software that you want and this is generally not just one or two versions. I mean there are were 30 or so versions of wine in portage the last time I looked. Speaking of building from source on my Intel Q9550 it takes around 4 hours to rebuild all 1000+ packages I have installed so if you have the right hardware this is not so much of a disadvantage.
John
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I make money using Linux.
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Updates break audio configurations - bye bye MythTV!
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Trollslayer wrote:
Updates break audio configurations - bye bye MythTV!
I have never had that in the 5+ years I have used MythTV. However I am using gentoo which does not force me to use pulseaudio.
John
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www.gentoo.org[^] However this is not for those who do not know linux or do not have the the time to learn as all configuration and installation is done from the shell and generally not a GUI. I do not even have X windows on most of those servers. There are two points that I believe gentoo is better than every other distro I have ever tried. The first is you install one single time and update on your schedule. Although there was media in the past there is no 2009.X release an there will not be one. Grab most any linux livecd and in a few commands (+ time everything is built from source) you have a current system. The other advantage is that you can usually install the version of software that you want and this is generally not just one or two versions. I mean there are were 30 or so versions of wine in portage the last time I looked. Speaking of building from source on my Intel Q9550 it takes around 4 hours to rebuild all 1000+ packages I have installed so if you have the right hardware this is not so much of a disadvantage.
John
Interesting. Granted my experience with *nix servers is limited to Fedora, Centos, FreeBSD and Solaris/OpenSolaris, I've not actually ever used Gentoo. What's it like as a server?
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Interesting. Granted my experience with *nix servers is limited to Fedora, Centos, FreeBSD and Solaris/OpenSolaris, I've not actually ever used Gentoo. What's it like as a server?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What's it like as a server?
After the learning curve (remember everything is done from the shell) I find it easy to maintain dozens of servers with gentoo. One advantage is you that can trim out a lot the unwanted stuff to have a leaner system. A second advantage is you never reinstall (even to upgrade) in gentoo. Well at least I do not reinstall (may have done it once while learning). Over the years I have actually done less machine installs than machines I have installed. How? After installing a server and configuring it to my exact needs I usually copy it (dd,rsync, partimage ...) when I add a new box. As I mentioned in another post gentoo is a source based distribution which means everything is built from source so installs and updates can take some time if you do not tweak your network. I use several methods to do this. One method is to use distributed compiling so that during a build I can make use of 10+ cpu cores to do the building. Also I use ccache (compiler cache) which greatly reduces update times since generally most of the source files of an application will remain the same over a minor update (or bug fix). A third method is to have portage generate binary packages after building on one machine then use these binary packages on the dozens of other machines. I also use a tool called metro to create fully configured up to date installs for my new openvz (www.openvz.org) guests. Since I mentioned openvz... For the last 2 years I have been doing some server consolidation and openvz / linux-vserver has been a big part of this. I will add some later if I get time..
John
modified on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 8:38 AM