I used to think 3 was the answer.
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Much better? I'm finding 3 to be difficult. However, 3 comes handy while debugging, while I'll be having to watch a lot of windows together. I think I liked it when it was 2. :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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I'm happy with three... I have plenty of room for everything, and I'm just at the point where I sometimes lose my mouse cursor and have to use that sonar blip thing to find it. That's mostly because one of these corporate-installed programs occasionally snaps my cursor to (0,0) on the left monitor... Usually right when I'm in the middle of doing something with it...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
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For me just 1 keeps it very simple to work. I sometimes think 2 could be better.
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Congratulations you are now 4 times less efficient at work than you were when you started out, but I'm sure it's very cool. ;)
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
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Congratulations you are now 4 times less efficient at work than you were when you started out, but I'm sure it's very cool. ;)
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
The man of extraordinary claims is at it again. Bravo!
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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The man of extraordinary claims is at it again. Bravo!
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
He claimed source control was rubbish. Of the 70 people in my department, I was the first to get a second monitor (now there is one more person). The difference is amazing! And here is somebody who might have not even used an extra monitor, and claims every extra monitor brings down your productivity by that much!
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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He claimed source control was rubbish. Of the 70 people in my department, I was the first to get a second monitor (now there is one more person). The difference is amazing! And here is somebody who might have not even used an extra monitor, and claims every extra monitor brings down your productivity by that much!
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
He's fond of generalizing. I just hope he's not a boss over anyone. Working under him would probably be a dead end job.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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He claimed source control was rubbish. Of the 70 people in my department, I was the first to get a second monitor (now there is one more person). The difference is amazing! And here is somebody who might have not even used an extra monitor, and claims every extra monitor brings down your productivity by that much!
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
He claimed source control was rubbish.
Nope, never did, please don't perpetuate this myth. The discussion at the time was is there a use for source control for a single developer and at the time I thought it was "rubbish".
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
And here is somebody who might have not even used an extra monitor, and claims every extra monitor brings down your productivity by that much!
Again, check your facts. As I've stated on numerous occasions I *have* tried an extra monitor and found it distracting and completely redundant as have others. There is much evidence it boosts productivity for general office workers who do not need the focus and concentration that a developer demands however I've seen nothing objective that this has been proven for developers and so I have to go by my own experience. And as I've also said on numerous occasions we are a small shop and each developer is responsible for a *lot* of code and we adopt any practice in a heartbeat that is more efficient because it's life or death for us. We don't have the luxury of sitting in a cubicle and working on a small bit of a large project all day at a leisurly pace. You guys are strangly defensive about this subject whenever it comes up, if you truly didn't care you'd just ignore my little observation and move on. Methinks you protest too much. :)
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
modified on Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:18 PM
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He's fond of generalizing. I just hope he's not a boss over anyone. Working under him would probably be a dead end job.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
He claimed source control was rubbish.
Nope, never did, please don't perpetuate this myth. The discussion at the time was is there a use for source control for a single developer and at the time I thought it was "rubbish".
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
And here is somebody who might have not even used an extra monitor, and claims every extra monitor brings down your productivity by that much!
Again, check your facts. As I've stated on numerous occasions I *have* tried an extra monitor and found it distracting and completely redundant as have others. There is much evidence it boosts productivity for general office workers who do not need the focus and concentration that a developer demands however I've seen nothing objective that this has been proven for developers and so I have to go by my own experience. And as I've also said on numerous occasions we are a small shop and each developer is responsible for a *lot* of code and we adopt any practice in a heartbeat that is more efficient because it's life or death for us. We don't have the luxury of sitting in a cubicle and working on a small bit of a large project all day at a leisurly pace. You guys are strangly defensive about this subject whenever it comes up, if you truly didn't care you'd just ignore my little observation and move on. Methinks you protest too much. :)
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
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OK, I might be wrong about source control, but did you notice I said "who might have not even used an extra monitor" or did you choose to ignore that? You are, of course, entirely entitled to your opinion that a second monitor didn't work for you, but telling people their new monitor is going to cause havoc with their productivity is, frankly, nonsense.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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OK, I might be wrong about source control, but did you notice I said "who might have not even used an extra monitor" or did you choose to ignore that? You are, of course, entirely entitled to your opinion that a second monitor didn't work for you, but telling people their new monitor is going to cause havoc with their productivity is, frankly, nonsense.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
but telling people their new monitor is going to cause havoc with their productivity is, frankly, nonsense.
I've always been something of an iconoclast and it has served me well in life. I realize that rubs people the wrong way as there is a natural human tendency to want to fit in with the herd so to speak and hammer down the nail that sticks out however this results in mediocrity that is unforgiveable to the group as a whole. Someone has to be there to question the "it's always been done that way" mentality or we'd never progress as a group. I suspect you'd be the same guys telling me to shut up if there were message boards in the '40s and I was claiming that despite the doctors saying that smoking is actually good for your lungs I had found that it made me cough and irritated my lungs and recommended people don't do it. I think anyone who wants to be a *professional* needs to eye the adoption of new tools and practices with a careful eye and to try to be as objective as possible, sadly with this multiple monitor situation I see little objectivity and a lot of fan boyish enthusiasm. I can only assume much of it comes from people who are a) not responsible for the bottom line or b) don't really need to be as productive as I do or c) can't be bothered to question any assumption because it might make them stand out from the crowd. Do you see any nonesense in the above? If so please point it out to me because I suspect it's the very opposite of non-sense, perhaps common sense would be more accurate?
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
but telling people their new monitor is going to cause havoc with their productivity is, frankly, nonsense.
I've always been something of an iconoclast and it has served me well in life. I realize that rubs people the wrong way as there is a natural human tendency to want to fit in with the herd so to speak and hammer down the nail that sticks out however this results in mediocrity that is unforgiveable to the group as a whole. Someone has to be there to question the "it's always been done that way" mentality or we'd never progress as a group. I suspect you'd be the same guys telling me to shut up if there were message boards in the '40s and I was claiming that despite the doctors saying that smoking is actually good for your lungs I had found that it made me cough and irritated my lungs and recommended people don't do it. I think anyone who wants to be a *professional* needs to eye the adoption of new tools and practices with a careful eye and to try to be as objective as possible, sadly with this multiple monitor situation I see little objectivity and a lot of fan boyish enthusiasm. I can only assume much of it comes from people who are a) not responsible for the bottom line or b) don't really need to be as productive as I do or c) can't be bothered to question any assumption because it might make them stand out from the crowd. Do you see any nonesense in the above? If so please point it out to me because I suspect it's the very opposite of non-sense, perhaps common sense would be more accurate?
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg
John C wrote:
I can only assume much of it comes from people who are a) not responsible for the bottom line or b) don't really need to be as productive as I do or c) can't be bothered to question any assumption because it might make them stand out from the crowd.
I can give you the benefit of the doubt on A. Personally, I am not responsible for budgets but managed to get an extra monitor. Anyway, how much does an extra monitor cost? It's a one-time investment of a few thousand rupees and then there's the extra electricity cost. If that will impact the profitability of your company, there is something seriously wrong. B is rubbish. In the first place, you don't know how productive they are. What's more, you are using the objective as an argument. We are debating the effect of an extra monitor on productivity, and you say, off the bat, they don't need to be as productive. C is tenuous at best. So I questioned something on CP, why would I be afraid to stand out? I agree CP has a herd mentality in some cases: VB programmers are idiots, Indians are unethical job-stealers, users are a pain and many of them must be shot, etc. Doesn't make all that the majority say wrong.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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John C wrote:
I can only assume much of it comes from people who are a) not responsible for the bottom line or b) don't really need to be as productive as I do or c) can't be bothered to question any assumption because it might make them stand out from the crowd.
I can give you the benefit of the doubt on A. Personally, I am not responsible for budgets but managed to get an extra monitor. Anyway, how much does an extra monitor cost? It's a one-time investment of a few thousand rupees and then there's the extra electricity cost. If that will impact the profitability of your company, there is something seriously wrong. B is rubbish. In the first place, you don't know how productive they are. What's more, you are using the objective as an argument. We are debating the effect of an extra monitor on productivity, and you say, off the bat, they don't need to be as productive. C is tenuous at best. So I questioned something on CP, why would I be afraid to stand out? I agree CP has a herd mentality in some cases: VB programmers are idiots, Indians are unethical job-stealers, users are a pain and many of them must be shot, etc. Doesn't make all that the majority say wrong.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Anyway, how much does an extra monitor cost?
Almost nothing comparitively but if there is lost productivity, and in my personal experience it's quite significant in broken concentration, that is a *hugely* significant cost. (I haven't even mentioned the tendency to run more apps with more screen space thus slowing down a computer so it doesn't compile as fast etc as that is very hard to quantify but still a factor in my opinion.) My points a b and c referred to the seemingly unthinking fanboyish enthusiasm for multiple monitors, not the idea of multiple monitors themselves. CP has a herd mentality in a *lot* of cases just as any group of people exhibit in any situation because it's a survival trait, however I believe there always is a place for a few in the herd to question things, it makes the herd stronger in the long run.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Doesn't make all that the majority say wrong.
Nope, however the majority can and is often wrong when free thinking ossifies into dogma. For the record I don't believe in every case multi monitors are a bad thing, just in most cases judging by what people have described doing with them.
"Creating your own blog is about as easy as creating your own urine, and you're about as likely to find someone else interested in it." -- Lore Sjöberg