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  • C Christian Graus

    Thanks, I will. http://exportsqlce.codeplex.com[^]

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    DABBee
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    (Sorry, the linky thingy wasn't working for me- probably need practice)

    Candy: Don't mess with the prin-cess.

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      (Sorry, the linky thingy wasn't working for me- probably need practice)

      Candy: Don't mess with the prin-cess.

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      That's cool, i pasted it out of laziness. Are you on a Mac ? I am and it sometimes doesn't work for me, either.

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      • C Christian Graus

        What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        r a m e s h
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        ER/Studio[^]

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        • C Christian Graus

          What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          SELECT, but it's bluddy expensive.

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          • C Christian Graus

            That's cool, i pasted it out of laziness. Are you on a Mac ? I am and it sometimes doesn't work for me, either.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            DaveAuld
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            Christian Graus wrote:

            Are you on a Mac ? I am and it sometimes doesn't work for me, either.

            Did i read correct? something on a Mac that doesn't work........slippery slope approaching! :)

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            • C Christian Graus

              What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              smcnulty2000
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              Depends on why I'm making them. for documentation I use Visio or PowerPoint when I don't have access to Visio. Admittedly I'm usually on a client's machine. Anything else... Pen and paper if I'm thinking through something. x

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              • C Christian Graus

                What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                Adriaan Davel
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                REAL sql developers do EVERYTHING with scripts :-D

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                • C Christian Graus

                  What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  reshi999
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                  I use Dia, its a good open source program & is also useful for network layouts and OOD.

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                  • D DaveAuld

                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    Are you on a Mac ? I am and it sometimes doesn't work for me, either.

                    Did i read correct? something on a Mac that doesn't work........slippery slope approaching! :)

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                    Vincent Curry
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                    Noooo!!!! You've got that all wrong! It's not the Mac that's not working, it's the browser/web site/something else ;P

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      wavesailor
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                      I use http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/[^]

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        SQL Server Compact, that appears to be why I am limited in my options. I may create a SQL Server Database in the management console, then generate SQL to create my end DB.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        Sinisa Hajnal
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                        For new database SQL Server Management Studio. For reverse eng of existing db Visio 2007. Works like a charm (if you don't mind occasionaly updateing database model in Visio...

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          NickPace
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                          I too use Visio. Visio can be used to create just about every aspect for your database including the different type of relationships, indexes, and constraints. However, where Visio can be used to automically create a database diagram from an existing database, it cannot be used to create your database directly from the Visio diagram (at least the version of Visio I have can't do it - MS Office Visio 2007). Luckily there are free add-ons out there that can do it for you. I downloaded one called OrthogonalToolbox (http://www.orthogonalsoftware.com/products.html[^]) that seems to work OK with Visio 2007 even though I think it was made for Visio 2002. I'm sure there are others out there that may even work better. Anyway, I think it's important to know that because my original assumption with Visio was that it would create my database for me when I was done designing it. Little did I know...

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            SQL Server Compact, that appears to be why I am limited in my options. I may create a SQL Server Database in the management console, then generate SQL to create my end DB.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Since you have MSDN, why not install the SQL Server Developer's Edition? I (at least yesterday) used the Enterprise Manager to design the database to the field/PK level - then use the create diagram feature. It was simple, from there, to create the FK dependencies (click and drag cursor from one to the other). You can also add rows should you have forgotten any. Designer can then be instructed to rearrange the tables, connecting the dependencies that you just created with minimal overlap. Sure - Visio has more bells and whistles - but this is clean & simple.

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                              ER/Studio[^]

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                              ciricivan
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                              Me too.

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                M Towler
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                                A product named DbVisualiser. It has nice extras like sanity checking constraints and producing scripts from your diagrams, or reverse engineering existing databases. May be overkill for your requirements though.

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  The great tool I'm using in everyday work, with great support for diagrams (SQL Server, Oracle, MySQL) is DatabaseSpy from Altova. Take a look at http://www.altova.com/databasespy.html

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Walter Casella
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                                    I use Enterprise Architect, from Sparx Systems. It is pretty good: http://www.sparxsystems.com/products/ea/index.html[^] It is useful not only for database diagrams but also for UML. Walter

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                                    • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                      I thought everyone does it that way! I've been doing it (mostly) from the designer since 2000! :~

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                                      Noel Paricollo 2
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                                      I also do it always from the designer since SQL Server 2000

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                                      • C Christian Graus

                                        What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                        Ilka Guigova
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                                        I suggest DbDesigner 4[^] DBDesigner 4 is a visual database design system that integrates database design, modeling, creation and maintenance into a single, seamless environment. It combines professional features and a clear and simple user interface to offer the most efficient way to handle your databases. DBDesigner 4 compares to products like Oracle's Designer©, IBM's Rational Rose©, Computer Associates's ERwin© and theKompany's DataArchitect© but is an Open Source Project available for Microsoft Windows© 2k/XP and Linux KDE/Gnome. It is release on the GPL. : ) Ilka

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          What software do people use to create database diagrams ? My VS doesn't seem to offer anything ( I thought it did ), and I wanted to double check before I install Visio ( which is what I'd assume my next step is ). I have an MSDN sub, so whatever tends to be used, I probably have it.

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                          A Furland
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                                          I use ERWin and generate automatically the scripts to create all the data base objects. It also has a Report Builder that i use to create de data dictionary. It's very useful to me. http://www.ca.com/us/data-modeling.aspx[^] Adrian

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